[B-Greek] Question On varient of Acts 26:17 "now" and Romans 10:9, 10
George F Somsel
gfsomsel at juno.com
Mon Oct 31 15:37:59 EST 2005
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:35:44 -0800 (PST) mike karoules
<steelcurtain40 at yahoo.com> writes:
> Gentlmen,
>
> Hi. My name is Mike and I am brand new on this list. I'm really
> new with this so please bear with me. I am also a novice when it
> comes to the greek. I still need to learn about the tenses. My
> first quesion has to do with a varient in Acts 26:17. It is just
> one word, the word in greek is VUV or otherwise "now" in the
> english. It appears to be in the KJV exclusively and I am just
> wondering if someone can tell me how many greek manuscripts this
> varient word is in?? Is this word only found in a "family" of greek
> manuscripts or in a number of copies scattered around in different
> textual relatives?? Inclusion of this word in the text would hammer
> home the reality that Paul received his apostleship at the very time
> he saw Christ on the Damascus Rd.
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This is really not the place for textual criticism, but I'm going to
respond since you are simply asking for information. Also, since you are
new, it would be a good idea to begin with good habits. The text should
be presented in transliterated form according to b-greek protocol as
given at http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/index.html. (You will probably
note that my transliteration is slightly idiosyncratic in that I reverse
the use of X and C).
ECAIROUMENOS SE EK TOU LAOU KAI EK TWN EQNWN EIS hOUS EGW APOSTELLW SE
Tischendorf has (note that the items in square brackets are (1) Codex
Sinaiticus normally represented by the Hebrew aleph (2) Superscript
items)
EIS hOUS EGW (Gb) cum [Sinaiticus]ABCEHILP al longe plu syr[utr] cop arm
aeth Chr[9,439] Thphyl[a] Aug[8,940]; item pro EGW Thphyl[b] NUN EGW, vg
nunc ego (fu ego nunc)
? EIS OUN NUN cum minusc mu
65. 67. 133.
12[lect] c[scr] e[scr] cat EIS OUS tantum
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> My 2nd question has to do with Romans 10:9,10 and the aorist tense.
> Romans 10:9 is in the future tense while vs. 10 is in the present.
> Also, Romans 10:9 deals with 2nd person while Rom 10:10 is in the
> 3rd person. I just want to know that, though the aorist is used in
> vs. 9, it is not in vs. 10; does that mean the person performing
> the action in Romans 10:10 has not received the gift of salvation
> based on EIS or "unto" (in the english)? I tend to interpret
> Romans 10:9,10 as one person performing the action with vs. 10 the
> GOAL HAVING BEEN REACHED. But I have heard some say that "EIS" can
> be understood to mean that person on his way and not there yet. Any
> help you can give me will be appreciated.
>
> Mike K.
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Again, the text
9. hOTI EAN hOMOLOGHSHiS EN TWi STOMATI SOU KURION IHSOUN KAI
PISTEUSHiS EN THi KARDIAi SOU hOTI hO QEOS AUTON HGEIREN EK NEKRWN,
SWQHSHi
10. KARDIAi GAR PISTEUETAI EIS DIKAIOSUNHN, STOMATI DE hOMOLOGEITAI EIS
SWTHRIAN.
You are reading too much into the change in tenses. Perhaps of more
significance here is the change from the subjunctive mood to the
indicative mood. The change in mood indicates that he is changing from a
Future More Probable condition "If a man does this, X results" (AKA: 3rd
class condition) to a simple statement of fact. The statement of fact is
the basis upon which he grounds his conditional statement which preceeds
(GAR).
george
gfsomsel
P.S. You must be from Pittsburgh. They're one of the better teams --
after the Colts, of course.
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