[B-Greek] Possible re-translation error from Greek into Latin...
Carl W.Conrad
cwconrad at ioa.com
Mon Sep 26 08:56:32 EDT 2005
On Sep 25, 2005, at 9:13 PM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
> On Sep 25, 2005, at 4:35 PM, Daveat168 at aol.com wrote:
>
>
>> Dear Carl,
>> In my project, translating the Victor Codex Gospel into English,
>> I found several cases of the Latin phrase <ante facium>, and one
>> case of <ante conspectum>, which is translated into English by both
>> Douay and KJV as <before (in place) the face of>.
>> I am convinced by context, that the latter Latin version is
>> correct, and the former erroneous. The latter Latin can be
>> translated as <before (in time) the appearance (on stage) of>.
>> I have chosen to translate all cases which KJV or Douay read as
>> <before the face of> as <prior to the appearance of>.
>> I would appreceate your judgement on this, especially if you
>> agree that a re-translation error has occurred here.
>>
>
> Could it be ANTE FACIEM rather than ANTE FACIUM? I should think that
> either phrase might convey the sense of PRO PROSWPOU which is itself
> the Hellenized equivalent of the Hebrew LiFNeI meaning "in front of"
> or "facing" or "ahead (of)." It would be easier to judge it were
> clear exactly what passages you find these phrases in.
>
I've done some checking and I find 6 instances of PRO PROSWPOU in the
GNT:
Mt 11:10, Mk 1:2, Lk 7:27, Lk 9:52, Lk 10:1, Acts 13:24; all of these
are conveyed
by ANTE FACIEM in the Clementine Vulgate; moreover, I found 196
instances of
PRO PROSWPOU in the LXX -- I checked only a few of these but I am quite
confident that they all represent the Hebrew LiFNeI with a pronominal
suffix.
I've found three instance of ANTE CONSPECTUM in the Clementine
Vulgate; 3 in
Jude and 2 in Revelation. These represent alternative, more standard
Greek
expressions for "in front of" (whereas PRO PROSWPOU is a Semitism):
ANTE CONSPECTUM in Vulgate:
Jude 24 ante conspectum gloriae suae GNT KATENWPION THS DOXHS AUTOU
Rev 12:10 ante conspectum Dei nostri GNT ENWPION TOU QEOU hHMWN
Rev 14:10 ante conspectum Agni GNT ENWPION TOU ARNIOU
1 Sam 1:22 ut appareat ante conspectum Domini
LXX KAI OFQHSETAI TWi PROSWPWi KURIOU
Ps 53:5 et non proposuerunt Deum ante conspectum suum
LXX OU PROEQENTO TON QEON ENWPION AUTWN
Is 1:12 Cum veniretis ante conspectum meum, ...
LXX OUD' EAN ERCHSQE OFQHNAI MOI; MT LRaAOTh PNaI
Lam 2:19 effunde sicut aquam cor tuum ante conspectum Domini
LXX EKCEON hWS hUDWR KARIAN SOU APENANTI PROSWPOU
KURIOU; MT NoKhaCh PnaI
It would appear then that ANTE FACIEM is used to convey the Greek PRO
PROSWPOU as a Semitism meaning "in front of, before, ahead of" while
ANTE CONSPECTUM is used in expressions better adapted to standard
Greek usage. My guess is that what you're finding in your Victor
Codex is consistent with what I've found in the Greek Bible and the
Clementine Vulgate.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
cwconrad2 at mac.com
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