[B-Greek] DIA PISTEWS IHSOU CRISTOU - Rom. 3.22

virgil newkirk virgilsalvage1 at msn.com
Mon Apr 10 00:35:02 EDT 2006




George wrote:


> On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 14:00:53 -0600 "virgil newkirk"
> <virgilsalvage1 at msn.com> writes:
> >
> > Mitch wrote,
> >
> >
    There seems to be considerable debate about whether or
> > not the Subjective or Objective is to be understood
> > with this expression. My interest is almost elsewhere,
> > however. Can the expression "faith in/toward Christ"
> > (where a person's faith is directed toward Christ) be
> > expressed in Greek unambiguously?

> >
> >
> > Mitch,
> >
> > I would say...absolutely !
> >
> > An example for say a number of people; in some moment coming with
> > faith
> > in/toward Christ:
> >
> > PISTEUOUSI EIS TON CRISTON
> >
> > or you, Mitch:
> >
> > PISTEUEIS EIS TON CRISTON
> >
> > or us all:
> >
> > PISTEUOMEN EIS TON CRISTON


  <Snip>


    Virgil Newkirk
    Salt Lake City



GS:

> EIS TON XRISTON never appears in the NT as a qualification of the verb
> PISTEUW.  In 2 Cor 11.3 we find
>
> FOBOUMAI DE MH PWS, hWS hO OFIS ECEPATHSEN EUAN EN THi PANOURGIAi AUTOU,
> FQARHi TA NOHMATA hUMWN APO THS hAPOLTHTOS [KAI THS hAGNOTHTOS] THS EIS
> TON XRISTON
>
> It does appear in Acts 19.4 in the Byz Maj and TR texts which have EIS
> TON XRISTON, but not in the critical texts which have IHSOUN rather than
> XRISTON
>
> hINA PISTEUSWSIN, TOUT' ESTIN EIS TON IHSOUN.
>
> Of course, one might say that this is virtually the same thing.
>
> george
> gfsomsel



VN:

Yes, George, as you say.

However, (not to be picky) but Mitch's question was not how the Greek New 
Testament expresses 'faith in/toward Christ', but was:
Can the expression "faith in/toward Christ" (where a person's faith is 
directed toward Christ) be expressed in Greek unambiguously?

Thus my response with the three following examples:

    PISTEUOUSI EIS TON CRISTON

    or you, Mitch:

    PISTEUEIS EIS TON CRISTON

    or us all:

    PISTEUOMEN EIS TON CRISTON

The point being, I think, from Mitch; what about all these so-called 
instances of ambiguity....is it really so ?




As far as the GNT; we find numerous examples of the unambiguous expression 
of 'faith in/toward Christ.'


We find very clear and economical expressions of 'faith in/toward Christ' 
'NOT' in DIA PISTEWS IHSOU CHRISTOU (note different translations from 
different scholars), but in the following:

John 2:11....EPISTEUSAN EIS AUTON

John 3:16...PAS hO PISTEUWN EIS AUTON

John 3:18...hO PISTEUWN EIS AUTON

John 3:36...hO PISTEUWN EIS TON hUION

John 6:29...PISTEUHTE EIS hON

John 6:40...PISTEUWN EIS AUTON

John 7:5 ...negated EPISTEUON EIS AUTON

John 7:31...EPISTEUSAN EIS AUTON

John 7:38...hO PISTEUWN EIS EME

John 7:39...hOI PISTEUSANTES EIS AUTON

Acts 8:37...PISTEUW TON hUION

Acts 9:42...POLLOI EPI TON KURION

Romans 9:33...hO PISTEUWN EP AUTWi

1Peter 1:8 ...TOUS PISTOUS EIS QEON

and a final example from 1John5:13...TOIS PISTEUOUSIN EIS TO ONOMA TOU hUIOU 
TOU QEOU


Surely these are clear and concise statements (by four different authors 
btw) in the GNT, expressing 'faith in/toward Christ and God.'





Virgil Newkirk
Salt Lake City 



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