[B-Greek] Phillipians 2:6 - controlling verb?

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Fri Aug 11 15:28:15 EDT 2006


On Aug 11, 2006, at 11:10 AM, William Ross wrote:

> Thank you for your quick response.
>
> I wonder if it would it all be grammatically possible that the  
> participle is
> independent and concessive? Ie: "although he presently is in the  
> form of a
> god..."

I really don't know what you mean by "independent and concessive." I  
would agree that it is concessive, but it certainly isn't  
independent. Although some people like to talk about "pendent  
nominatives," the only really independent participle is that in a  
genitive absolute construction. hUPARCWN as nominative clealry  
construes adverbially with hHGHSATO.

I wonder whether you're thinking in terms of how it translates into  
English? I've been talking about how the syntax of the Greek text  
works -- as we usually do in this forum. You really seem to be asking  
questions about the translated text.


> This would, it seems, then cohere with the rest of the passage
> where he shows how he did not go about getting to this position (by
> robbery), and how in reality he was placed in this position (the  
> god highly
> exalted him). The lesson then seems in keeping with other similar  
> passages:
>
> Mr 9:35  And sitting down, he called the twelve, and says to them:  
> If any
> one desires first to be, he will be of all last, and of all a servant.
> Mr 10:44  and whoever may wish of you to become first, shall be of  
> all a
> slave.
>
> This does seem to be the broader context:
>
> Php 2:5  For, let this mind be in you that is also in Christ Jesus,
>
> Might this be grammatically possible as well?
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/11/06, Carl W. Conrad <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu> wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2006, at 9:31 AM, William Ross wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a controlling verb for hUPARCWN in Phillipians 2:6?
>>
>>
>> It helps to have the whole of the relevant text:
>>
>> ... EN CRISTWi IHSOU, hOS EN MORFHi QEOU hUPARCWN, OUC hARPAGMON
>> hHGHSATO TO EINAI ISA QEWi ...
>>
>> I think the syntax of the clause in which hUPARCWN appears is
>> reasonably simple:
>>
>> hOS (with CRISTWi IHSOU as antecedent) is the subject, hHGHSATO the
>> verb of the clause; hUPARCWN is nom. sg. masc. ptc. in agreement with
>> hOS and adverbially qualifying the verb hHGHSATO. The verb hUPARCW is
>> more or less synonymous with EIMI, "be."
>>
>> cf. BDAG s.v. 2: " to be in a state or circumstance, be as a widely
>> used substitute in H. Gk. for EINAI, but in some of the foll. pass.
>> the sense 'be inherently (so)' or 'be really' cannot be  
>> excluded ... "
>>
>> Of course, there are several OTHER problems in this text, but the
>> grammatical function of hUPARCWN is not one.
>>
>> Carl W. Conrad
>> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
>> cwconrad2 at mac.com
>> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
>>
>>
>>
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Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
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