[B-Greek] John 1:4 EN AUTW ZWH HN

William Ross woundedegomusic at gmail.com
Sun Aug 13 13:27:52 EDT 2006


Ok, more background on what I am considering here....

We have an equation:

EN AUTWi *ZWH* HN

KAI

H ZWH HN FWS TWN ANQRWPWN

The life was the light of men - clarified further as being Jesus (verses
7-13). If you disagree that the light of men is Jesus, please explain, but
otherwise, I think that that is a sound conclusion.

So H ZWH is Jesus, yes?

So what is meant by EN AUTWi ZWH HN?

Does this mean that Jesus was:

* IN the word?
* BY the word?
* BECAUSE OF the word?

Ie: what does the dative EN AUTWi mean about the relationship between the
word of the god and Jesus?

Replacing the pronoun:

"in the word of the god Jesus was"

Or

EN [the word of the god] [Jesus] HN

Does anyone at least understand the question? Or where I have misunderstood
the text in forming the question?

My hypothesis is that the dative is instrumental:

"by the instrument of the word of the god, was a life"

This would then run parallel to verse 14:

KAI hO LOGOS SARX EGENETO

Ie: "and the word gave birth to flesh"

Mt 1:20b  ...for that which is conceived [GENNHTHEN] in her is of the Holy
Ghost [EK PNEUMATOS ESTIN hAGIOU].

The breath and the word are in this case the identical agent of the god.

But I am anxious to hear any other explanations of the dative.

Sincerely,

William Ross
VGB, Argentina



On 8/12/06, George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  It's a "with the preposition EN" dative.
>
> ______________
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>
> *William Ross <woundedegomusic at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> What is the type of dative in John 1:4? Or better yet, what are the
> grammatically possible types of datives in John 1:4?
>
> I am thinking that this is normally taken as locative of place, yes?
>
> What other grammatically possible options are there? I find "in it" -
> locative - to be odd at best.
>
> William Ross
> VGB, Argentina
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