[B-Greek] Titus 2:13 / Revelation 12:14
Harold Holmyard
hholmyard at ont.com
Fri Aug 25 18:22:05 EDT 2006
Dear George and Bill,
>Obviously, I'm not Harold, but I will say that simply because something is possible does not mean that it is preferable (assuming it is possible, but I don't recall what the discussion was). What is preferable is what conforms to the common usage or to the usage of the author.
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HH: This is a good point that also crossed my mind. So how does the NT
treat the genitive of DOXA when it modifies a noun. Here is the NIV take
on such verses in the NT. I think I gave all cases. Look for the words
"glory" or "glorious." There are some instances where "glory" receives
emphasis as a separate concept and it is best to treat it as a noun. But
in many places the word can be translated as "glorious" or "of glory,"
and it is more a question of style as to which one prefers. The NIV, I
believe the following verses show, translates the genitive of DOXA with
a noun as "glorious" more often than not. My outlook on Tit 2:13 is that
the noun does not need separate emphasis and so "glorious" may be
preferable. But since Bill may argue for an allusion back to the "grace"
of God appearing in Tit 2:11, perhaps something is lost in translation
no matter what one chooses.
NIV Matt. 19:28 Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, at the
renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne,
you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the
twelve tribes of Israel.
NIV Matt. 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the
angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory.
HH: I see no reason why this could not be: "he will sit on his glorious
thone." The Greek is: TOTE KAQISEI EPI QRONOU DOXHS AUTOU. The NET Bible
agrees with me and has:
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all the angels with him,
then he will sit on his glorious throne.
HH: The NLT agrees: "But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all
the angels with him, then he will sit upon his glorious throne."
HH: So does the ESV: "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all
the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne."
NIV Acts 7:2 To this he replied: “Brothers and fathers, listen to me!
The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham while he was still in
Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran.
HH: This has a nice sound. To say "the glorious God" might suggest to
some that there is an inglorious God.
NIV Rom. 8:21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its
bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children
of God
NIV Rom. 9:23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known
to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory —
NIV 1Cor. 2:8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they
had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
NIV 2Cor. 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers,
so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ,
who is the image of God.
HH: Again, this may be able to go the other way. Here is the NET Bible:
"among whom the god of this age has blinded the minds of those who do
not believe so they would not see the light of the glorious gospel of
Christ, who is the image of God."
NIV 2Cor. 4:6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made
his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of
the glory of God in the face of Christ.
HH: Here the NET Bible makes the change again: "For God, who said “Let
light shine out of darkness,”12 is the one who shined in our hearts to
give us the light of the glorious knowledge of God in the face of Christ."
HH: Let me switch to the NRSV just for the following verse, since it
gives a more literal rendering than the NIV:
NRSV 2Cor. 4:17 For this slight momentary affliction is preparing us for
an eternal weight of glory beyond all measure,
NIV Eph. 1:6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely
given us in the One he loves.
NIV Eph. 1:14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the
redemption of those who are God’s possession — to the praise of his glory.
NIV Eph. 1:17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the
glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so
that you may know him better.
NIV Eph. 1:18 I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened
in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the
riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints,
NIV Eph. 3:16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen
you with power through his Spirit in your inner being,
NIV Phil 3:21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything
under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be
like his glorious body
NIV Col. 1:11 being strengthened with all power according to his
glorious might so that you may have great endurance and patience, and
joyfully
NIV Col. 1:27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles
the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of
glory.
NIV 2Th. 2:14 He called you to this through our gospel, that you might
share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
NIV 1Tim. 1:11 that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God,
which he entrusted to me.
NIV Heb. 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact
representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.
After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right
hand of the Majesty in heaven.
NIV Heb. 9:5 Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing
the atonement cover. But we cannot discuss these things in detail now.
HH: There is no definite article here, so the NET Bible has: "And above
the ark were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Now is
not the time to speak of these things in detail."
NIV James 2:1 My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus
Christ, don’t show favoritism.
NIV 1Pet. 4:13 But rejoice that you participate in the sufferings of
Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed.
NIV 1Pet. 4:14 If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you
are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.
NIV 1Pet. 5:1 To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder, a
witness of Christ’s sufferings and one who also will share in the glory
to be revealed:
NIV 1Pet. 5:4 And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the
crown of glory that will never fade away.
Yours,
Harold Holmyard
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