[B-Greek] Is PALIN in Heb 1:6 ambiguous?

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Mon Dec 11 14:26:05 EST 2006


Here is the LSJ entry for EISAGW

 
EISAGW [ᾰ], Ion. impf. ESAGESKON Hdt.1.196: pf. -AGHOXA Epist.Philipp.ap.D.18.39: pf. Pass. ESHGMAI Hdt.2.49:—lead in or into, esp. into one’s dwelling, introduce, c. dupl. acc., AUTOUS EISHGON QEION DOMON Od.4.43; KRHTHN EISHGAG' ETAIROUS he led his comrades to Crete, 3.191; ES. TINA ES.. Hdt.1.196, etc.: c. dat., TINA DOMOIS E.Alc.1112 codd.; EI. YUXAi XARIN Id.Hipp.526 (lyr.); hOTAN SE KAIROS EISAGHi, = hOTAN KAIROS Hi SE EISIENAI, S.El.39; NUC EI. PONON Id.Tr.29:—Med., admit forces into a city, Th.8.16, 108; take in with one, introduce into a league or conspiracy, hOTANHS ESAGETAI INTAFRENEA Hdt.3.70:—Pass., THN QERMOTHTA EISAGESQAI EIS TOUS POROUS Thphr.Ign.38.
2. ESAGAGEIN or ESAGAGESQAI GUNAIKA to lead a wife into one’s house, Hdt.5.40, 6.63.
3. bring in, SITON Th.4.26; import, OINON/ AQHNAZE KAT' EMPORIAN D.35.35:—Med., EISAGESQAI KAI ECAGESQAI X.Ath.2.3, cf. D.18.145; EI. WN ENDEEIS Arist.Pol.1257a32:—Pass., EISAGOMENA KAI ECAG. imports and exports, Id.Rh.1359b22, cf. Hdt.3.6, SIG37 (Teos, v b.c.).
b. bring in water supply, SEG31.1363 (Cyprus, i a.d.), 26.784.9 (Thrace, ii a.d.), IEphes.3217.(b)21 (ii a.d.), etc.
4. EI. EIS TOUS FRATERAS introduce a child to the members on one’s FRATRIA, Lys.30.2 (Pass.), Is.3.75, cf. D.57.54; EIS KHRUKAS And.1.127; EI. TINAS EIS THN POLITEIAN Arist.Pol.1308a8; TINAS ES SPONDAS secure their adhesion, Th.5.35; IATRON EISAGEIN TINI call in a physician for another, X.Mem.2.4.3, cf. D.47.67:—Med., of the physician himself when ill, EISAGESQAI ALLOUS IATROS Arist.Pol.1287a41.
5. introduce new customs, Hdt.2.49 (Pass.); TELETAS PONHRAS E.Ba.260; SOPISMA Id.Ph.1408; DEINOTATON EQOS EIS THN POLITEIAN D.19.2; EI. TA EIDH the doctrine if ideas, Arist.EN1096a13; AULON KAI hRUQMON EIS TON POLEMON ANTI SALPIGGOS Plb.4.20.6.
6. DOULION EISAGON AISAN, for D. AGON EIS AISAN, A.Ch.77 (lyr.).
II. bring in, bring forward, esp. on the stage, XORON Ar.Ach.11; HRAN HLLOIWMENHN Pl.R.381d; DRAMATA Id.Ap.35b, cf. Luc.Hist.Conscr.58; of an orator, EI. SEAUTON POION TINA Arist.Rh.1417b7; represent in art, Corn.ND28, al. (Pass.).
2. EI. TINA EIS THN BOULHN bring a culprit before the Council, X.HG7.3.5, etc.
3. as law-term, EI. DIKHN or GRAFHN to bring a cause into court, of the prosecutor, cf. OUD' AISXUNEI FQONOU DIKHN DISAGWN D.18.121; cf. EI GRAYAMENOI TON NOMON KAI EISAGAGONTES EIS hUMAS LUSAI DUNAIMEQA Id.24.10, PHal.1.125, etc.; ὑπόθεσιν OGI669.41 (Egypt, i a.d.); also of the EISAGWGEUS A.Eu.580, 582 ii, Antipho 6.42, IG12(7).3.40 (Arcesine), etc.; hOI DE QESMOQETAI EISAGONTWN EIS THN hHLIAIAN Lexap.D.21.47.
b. EI. TINA bring forward the case of an officer at the EUQUNAI (q.v.), D.18.117: generally, bring a person into court, prosecute, Pl.Ap.25c, al.; in full, EI. EIS DIKASTHRION ib.29a, Grg.521c (Pass.), cf. Lg.910e, al.
4. pay in, THN TIMHN EPI DHMOSIAN TRAPEZAN IG2.1013.28; ARGURION PHib.46.18 (iii b.c.), etc.
5. enter, register, POxy.1535.8 (Pass.), etc.
III. introduce to a subject, instruct:—Pass., EISAGOMENOI, hOI beginners, Ph.1.175, Gal.Libr.Propr.Prooem., etc.
IV. intr., enter, Sch.T.Il.6.252.

Liddell, H. G., Scott, R., Jones, H. S., & McKenzie, R. (1996). A Greek-English lexicon. "With a revised supplement, 1996." (Rev. and augm. throughout) (492). Oxford; New York: Clarendon Press; Oxford University Press.

As you will probably note the idea throughout seems to be "introduce" whether that is a person into a house, water into a city, a person into a court, an actor or play onto a stage, or a subject to a pupil.  And, yes, EIS is used with EISAGW as with many other verbs compounded with EIS.  It would seem redundant to us, but apparently not to the Greeks.

 
george
gfsomsel
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From: Kimmo Huovila <kimmo.huovila at helsinki.fi>
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Subject: Re: Is PALIN in Heb 1:6 ambiguous?


Do you know of another example with EISAGW + object + EIS ... being used in 
the sense of saying? Why not 'bring the firstborn again into the world', if 
PALIN is an adverbial of EISAGW?

Kimmo Huovila

On Monday December 11 2006 16:59, George F Somsel wrote:
> PALIN probably does function as an adv to EISAGAGHi here.  I would suggest 
looking at LSJ s.v. EISAGW III.  Here it has the force of "say."  I'm not 
sure why BDAG doesn't mention this usage.  In this way 1.6a would function as 
an introductory formula to 1.6b indicating a subsequent mention of the 
PRWTOTOKOS.  You might take a look at Ps 96.7 (LXX, 97.7 MT) and see where he 
might get the concept though PRWTOTOKOS is not used there.
>  
> george
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kimmo Huovila <kimmo.huovila at helsinki.fi>
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> Subject: [B-Greek] Is PALIN in Heb 1:6 ambiguous?
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> Heb. 1:6
> hOTAN DE PALIN EISAGAGHi TON PRWTOTOKON EIS THN OIKOUMENEN, LEGEI;
> 
> It seems that many commentators and translators consider that PALIN in Heb 
1:6 
> is ambiguous and could be used either to indicate that there is one more 
> quotation to the series or to mark the coming specifically not the first 
> coming. Is this supposed ambiguity real? The word order places PALIN within 
> the subordinate clause (hOTAN DE PALIN, not PALIN DE hOTAN). Does this allow 
> PALIN to be taken as a sentence connector instead of an adverbial to 
> EISAGAGHi? Are there any parallels where PALIN refers to the whole sentence, 
> but is placed within a subordinate clause? Or does the phrase refer 
> unambiguously to the second (or not first) coming of the firstborn?
> 
> Kimmo Huovila
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