[B-Greek] The masculine participle in Mark 13:14
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad2 at mac.com
Sat Dec 23 19:29:29 EST 2006
It helps, when putting a question like that, to give us the text in question:
Text: hOTAN DE IDHTE TO BDELUGMA THS ERHMWSEWS hESTHKOTA hOPOU OU DEI hO ANAGINWSKWN NOEITW TOTE hOI EN THi IOUDAIAi FEUGETWSAN EIS TA ORH
hESTHKOTA is indeed a a masculine ptc, and the noun that would seem to be the antecedent is TO BDELUGMA. I can't figure any explanation for the gender -- UNLESS we are to understand TO BEDELUGMA to be the ruler whose image is being referred to. I'm currently away from home and any resources to check regarding this, but that's all I can think of.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
On Saturday, December 23, 2006, at 07:13PM, "Anthony Buzzard" <anthonybuzzard at mindspring.com> wrote:
>Carl and Elizabeth, While the verb hISTHMI is under consideration,
>would anyone like to comment on the masculine participle modifiyng
>the neuter BDELUGMA in Mark 13:14?
>Does this point to personality in the BDELUGMA? So some translations
>like Weymouth have: "standing where he ought not."
>Anthony Buzzard
>
>
>
>At 01:04 PM 12/19/2006, Elizabeth Kline wrote:
>
>>On Dec 19, 2006, at 9:42 AM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>>
>> > Just to be a little bit more precise about the forms of this verb:
>> > the present-tense forms are hISTHMI ("make stand"), which is the
>> > active causative form of what should perhaps more reasonably be
>> > considered the real lemma, hISTAMAI, which means "rise to a standing
>> > position" or "come to a halt." The perfect-tense form hESTHKA (older
>> > hESTAA) is intransitive as is the aorist form ESTHN (as opposed to
>> > the active ESTHSA corresponding to the active causative present
>> > hISTHMI). These intransitive perfect and aorist are forms
>> > corresponding to the present middle hISTAMAI; they are survivals from
>> > the period before the development of a perfect middle-passive form in
>> > -MAI/SAI/TAI/KTL.
>>
>>Carl,
>>
>>Is intransitive perfect hO hESTHKWS stative or imperfective?
>>
>>John 3:29 hO ECWN THN NUMFHN NUMFIOS ESTIN: hO DE FILOS TOU NUMFIOU
>>hO hESTHKWS KAI AKOUWN AUTOU CARAi CAIREI DIA THN FWNHN TOU NUMFIOU.
>>hAUTH OUN hH CARA hH EMH PEPLHRWTAI.
>>
>>I would agree that the perfect active fills the same slot as the
>>present active but to say it functions as the present (G.Somsel)
>>implies that it is aspectually imperfective.
>>
>>
>>Elizabeth Kline
>>
>>
>>
>>
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