[B-Greek] Left order prominence and construction -- Acts 5.18

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Orthodox Church in America

----- Original Message -----
From: George F Somsel 
Date: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:29 am
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Left order prominence and construction -- Acts 5.18
To: Iver Larsen , b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org

> Iver,
> 
> I'm glad you mentioned Acts 16.37 where Paul was publicly beaten 
> since this concept is my concern here. Are we to understand 
> that what is envisioned is the placing of the apostles in full 
> view of all? Are we to think of a situation such as that in 
> colonial New England where people had their arms and legs 
> fastened into stocks and were subject to scrutiny by their neighbors?
> 
> george
> gfsomsel
> _________
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Iver Larsen 
> To: George F Somsel ; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 4:59:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Left order prominence and construction -- 
> Acts 5.18
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "George F Somsel" 
> 
> 
> > I'm wondering what Iver's theory would say regarding the usage 
> of DHMOSIAi in this verse.
> >
> > KAI EPEBALON TAS CEIRAS EPI TOUS APOSTOLOUS KAI EQENTO AUTOUS 
> EN THRHSEI DHMOSIAi
> >
> > george
> > gfsomsel
> 
> No problem (after correcting your various typos):
> 
> And they laid hands on the apostles and put them in a public jail.
> 
> DHMOSIAi is an adjective that occurs in its expected position 
> after the noun it modifies. It is just 
> a (public) JAIL, not a PUBLIC jail. There is no prominence to 
> the final adjective. At the clause 
> level, the dative complement of to "put" (a trivalent verb) is 
> in the least prominent position. 
> There is nothing surprising about them being put in a public 
> jail after they have been "laid hands 
> on". The adjective DHMOSIOS carries so little semantic weight 
> when combined with THRHSIS that it is 
> left out in the similar sentence in Acts 4:3. On the other hand 
> THRHSIS is a more general word than 
> English jail, basically meaning "(place of) keeping", so the 
> word DHMOSIOS helps to clarify that the 
> text is talking about an official place for keeping alleged 
> criminals, what we call a jail.
> 
> There is much more prominence to DHMOSIAi in Acts 16:37 as shown 
> by the relative placement of the 
> constituents.
> 
> Iver Larsen
> 
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