[B-Greek] Plurals and the TSKS Construction
kgraham0938 at comcast.net
kgraham0938 at comcast.net
Fri Jan 6 22:54:00 EST 2006
@Mondo:
Did you mean to write to me personally? Or did you forget to write to the group?
Anyway you wrote...
Mondo:Kelton,
Could not the context introduce something that unifies though? For example,
when we look in Proverbs we found a possible exception when we read of "the
God and king." Now we could go into the various reasons why this one is
written the way it is but that isn't really the issue I am raising. The
sentence has them both classified as who are to be feared. Could not they
be linked together under the catagory of who are to be feared?
Response: Sure I think that is what Wallace means on p 278 where he is saying that the two groups are united in some sense. They are united but they do not equal each other. If I am not mistaken I think the problem with that passage in Proverbs that you mentioned is the Hebrew. Can't remember the verse off hand but I remember looking at the Hebrew and thinking that had something to do with the LXX version.
Mondo:While plural substantives can function in the way you mention, they can also do so just as singular substantives such with what we see in Ephesians 1:1.
Response: Yes, I think you are right about that one.
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Kelton Graham
KGRAHAM0938 at comcast.net
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From: "Mondo Pascal" <mondofive at hotmail.com>
> Kelton,
>
> Could not the context introduce something that unifies though? For example,
> when we look in Proverbs we found a possible exception when we read of "the
> God and king." Now we could go into the various reasons why this one is
> written the way it is but that isn't really the issue I am raising. The
> sentence has them both classified as who are to be feared. Could not they
> be linked together under the catagory of who are to be feared?
>
> While plural substantives can function in the way you mention, they can also
> do so just as singular substantives such with what we see in Ephesians 1:1.
>
> Mondo Pascal
>
>
>
>
> >From: kgraham0938 at comcast.net
> >To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> >Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Plurals and the TSKS Construction
> >Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 03:08:23 +0000
> >
> >I think what Wallace is saying is that in the TSKS, the two substantives
> >equal each other. Like hO QEOS KAI PATHR God and Father equal each other.
> >But when we look at the plural substantives such as TWN FARISAIWN KAI
> >SADDOUKAIWN, even though they both fit under the bannar of the sanhedrine
> >they are still two different groups within the sanhedrine. So that is the
> >problem I think.
> >
> >
> >--
> >Kelton Graham
> >KGRAHAM0938 at comcast.net
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: "Mondo Pascal"
> >
> > > Hello Group,
> > >
> > > This is my first post here and hopefully this topic is one that will
> >draw
> > > some interest. It is something that I have been considering for some
> >time
> > > and I have not been able to find a good answer to.
> > >
> > > My question specifically involves Sharp's construction (TSKS). I have
> >done
> > > a lot of reading on this subject. I have focused mostly on what has been
> > > written by Wallace and Bowman as they seem to be two very vocal people
> >on
> > > the subject, Ive taken what I can from the grammars I have and my own
> > > reading of various Greek writings. In reading these I have not found a
> >good
> > > answer for what I see as an issue with it.
> > >
> > > Specifically, I do not understand exactly what plural substantives are
> > > excluded. Plurals in the TSKS construction can refer to one group, two
> >or a
> > > subset. When two groups a single article will carry a unifying force
> >under
> > > whatever classification is being discussed. It seems to me that the same
> > > could happen when a singular substantive is used.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any insights into this?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Mondo Pascal
> > >
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