[B-Greek] Apocalypse of Peter
George F Somsel
gfsomsel at juno.com
Sat Jan 7 06:12:54 EST 2006
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:16:52 +0100 "Thomas J. Kraus" <t.j.kraus at web.de>
writes:
> Thanks, George.
> However, the text reads PAREXOMAI (and not PARECOMAI) and should be
> future,
> shouldn't it?
> The reference to Ignatius' letter is nice and helps a lot. Moreover,
> KOLASIS
> refers to eternal punishment here as the next lines of the fragment
> provide
> the "Acherusian lake" and the "Elysian Field", "eternal kingdom",
> "the cup
> which I promised you at the hands of the son of the one who is in
> Hades" and
> so on (addressing Peter).
> I agree on "whatever they request" for hON EAN AITHSWNTAI.
> Nevertheless, if
> we take PAREXOMAI into account, does not the fulfilment of the
> request
> happen in the future?
>
> Thomas J. Kraus
>
> On 07.01.2006 11:14 Uhr "George F Somsel" at <gfsomsel at juno.com>
> wrote:
> > There doesn't really seem to be a conditional here. hON EAN
> AITHSWNTAI
> > is simply "whatever they request." PAREXOMAI is present though
> sometimes
> > the present is use futuristically. As regards being released from
> any
> > punishment, it doesn't state that they will be released from it
> but that
> > they will have their requests granted. Perhaps you are thinking
> of
> > KOLASIS as referring to eternal punishment. If so, that is not
> always
> > the case. Ignatius in his letter to the Romans 5 wrote
>
> > On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 09:46:47 +0100 "Thomas J. Kraus"
> <t.j.kraus at web.de>
> > writes:
> >> [PAR]EXOMAI TOIS KLHTOIS MOU KAI EKKLEKTOIS MOU,
> >> hON EAN AITHSWNTAI ME EK THS KOLASEWS ...
> >> "I will give to my called and my chosen whomsoever they will
> (would)
> >> ask me
> >> for out of punishment ..."
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Thomas,
I'm sorry for the confusion. I routinely interchange the X and C since I
prefer to use the X for xi because it looks similar. I simply forgot
that others don't follow my practice. Yes, that would make it a future;
however, any such statement (as a promise) is going to refer to the
future -- even if only an immediate future rather than a more remote one.
One does not promise to do something in the past. [One of my pet peeves
is the expression "future plans." Now, I ask you, does anyone make plans
for the past? All plans, when made, by their nature refer to the future]
george
gfsomsel
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