[B-Greek] Apocalypse of Peter
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at ioa.com
Sat Jan 7 06:41:10 EST 2006
Just one or two clarifications here, one of which derives from the
confusion of X and C in PAREXOMAI, the other about hON AN AITHSWNTAI;
taking these hUSTERON PROTERON:
(1) hON AN AITHSWNTAI is, as Thomas first had it, "whomsoever they
ask for" rather than "whatsoever they ask for" (as George rephrased it);
(2 since PAREXOMAI is future, this construction IS an implicit
conditional after all, because hON AN AITHSWNTAI is simply a
reformulation with relative pronoun of EAN TINA AITHSWNTAI. But it
would be a conditional even with the present tense PARECOMAI, but in
that case a generalizing condition rather than a future condition:
hON AN AITHSWNTAI, PARECOMAI AUTOIS = EAN TINA AITHSWNTAI, PARECOMAI
(AUTON) AUTOIS.
Furthermore, FWIW, I personally think that the confusion over present
and future forms of the verb PARECOMAI/PAREXOMAI illustrates the
questionability of using C for Xi; while it is true that X "looks
like" a Greek Chi rather than a Xi and true as well that C does NOT
look like a Greek Chi, the conventional transliteration scheme of BG
works best when it is observed without idiosyncratic exceptions.
On Jan 7, 2006, at 5:14 AM, George F Somsel wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 09:46:47 +0100 "Thomas J. Kraus"
> <t.j.kraus at web.de>
> writes:
>> On one of the two preserved fragments of a parchment codex with text
>> passages from the Apocalypse of Peter, the first few lines of folio
>> one,
>> recto, reads as follows:
>>
>> [PAR]EXOMAI TOIS KLHTOIS MOU KAI EKKLEKTOIS MOU,
>> hON EAN AITHSWNTAI ME EK THS KOLASEWS ...
>> "I will give to my called and my chosen whomsoever they will (would)
>> ask me
>> for out of punishment ..."
>>
>> Leaving theological implications and interpretations aside (how can
>> someone
>> who is already being punished be released out of that anyway?), one
>> interpreter suggested that the request granted to the "called" and
>> "chosen"
>> refers to the present and thus is to be fulfilled in the present
>> because of
>> the aorist subjunctive AITHSWNTAI
>>
>> I take this as a conditional with future tense in the apodosis and
>> EAV +
>> subjunctive in the protasis: then it should be a prospective case
>> (eventualis).
>> To me the EAN + subjunctive (here aorist) also points to something
>> in the
>> future which one reckons to come true/to happen.
>>
>> Am I wrong here? Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Thomas J. Kraus
> ______________
>
> There doesn't really seem to be a conditional here. hON EAN
> AITHSWNTAI
> is simply "whatever they request." PAREXOMAI is present though
> sometimes
> the present is use futuristically. As regards being released from any
> punishment, it doesn't state that they will be released from it but
> that
> they will have their requests granted. Perhaps you are thinking of
> KOLASIS as referring to eternal punishment. If so, that is not always
> the case. Ignatius in his letter to the Romans 5 wrote
>
> KAKAI KOLASEIS TOU DIABOLOU EP' EME ERXESQWSAN, MONON hINA IHSOU
> XRISTOU
> EPITUXW
>
> Let the evil punishments of the Devil befall me, only that I might
> attain
> Jesus Christ.
>
> george
> gfsomsel
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Carl W. Conrad
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