[B-Greek] hAMA AND 1 Thessalonians 4:17

Rod Rogers rngrogers at earthlink.net
Mon Jun 19 23:33:45 EDT 2006


I have a question on 1 Thessalonians 4:17. This
was discussed somewhat back in June 2000 but not
as complete as I need. Here is the text:

EPEITA hHMEIS hOI ZWNTES hOI PERILEIPOMENOI hAMA
SUN AUTOIS h ARPAGHSOMEQA EN NEFELAIS EIS
APANTHSIN TOU KURIOU AERA KAI hOUTWS PANTOTE SUN
KURIW ESOMEQA.

My questions are, 1. Can hAMA be translated as
either an adverb or an adverbial preposition
(improper preposition)? 2. Is there any possible
way (grammatically) to make hAMA SUN AUTOIS to
modify EN NEFELAIS making the translation say that
the dead are raised (all the way to "in the
clouds") first and then, EPEITA, the hOI ZWNTES
PERILEIPOMENOI are caught up to be united with the
resurrected dead?

Thanks for your considering this text. I think the
Greek translates fairly easily here but a
gentleman claiming seminary level Greek is
positive that hAMA does not indicate that both
groups are caught up "at the same time", and that
"together" refers to the "result" of ARPAGHSOMEQA
not "how" they are caught up. Being the country
bumpkin that I am I though I'd as you folks.

Thanks,
rod rogers
Bargersville, In





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