[B-Greek] Homer
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Tue May 9 13:40:46 EDT 2006
On May 9, 2006, at 12:25 PM, gfsomsel at juno.com wrote:
> Back up a little.
> EPEI hH POLU FERTERON ESTIN
> OIKAD' IMEN SUN NHUSI KORWNISIN, OUDE S' OIW
> ENQAD' ATIMOS EWN AFENTOS KAI PLOUTON AFUCEIN.
>
> Then much better is it
> that we go home with our beaked ships, nor do I intend,
> while being dishonored here, goods and wealth to acquire.
correction of transcription:
EPEI H POLU FERTERON ESTIN
OIKAD' IMEN SUN NHUSI KORWNISIN, OUDE S(OI) OIW
ENQAD' ATIMOS EWN AFENOS KAI PLOUTON AFUXEIN.
This is part of Achilles' angry response to Agamemnon:
"For indeed far bettter is it
to go home with (our) beaked ships, nor do I intend
while being without honor here to heap up riches and wealth for you."
OUDE construes with OIW ... AFUXEIN: "nor do I think (that I
will) ... to heap up" This is an instance of OIW taking complementary
infinitive, the future infinitive AFUXEIN. The OUDE is simply the
equivalent of KAI OU. Note also that here the elided S' is not for SE
but rather for the dative SOI.
> _________
>
> -- "Ed Garcia" <Ed.Garcia at FHLBTopeka.com> wrote:
> Hello to the group.
>
> In order to improve our overall understanding of Greek some friends
> and
> I have taken a break from Koine and are working through Clyde Pharr's
> Homeric Greek for Beginners. But we are puzzled about a certain
> passage.
> In Pharr's book they are lines 169b-171 of the Iliad.
>
> Below are the lines in question, I hope I have presented them
> correctly.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------- EPEI H POLU FERTERON ESTIN
>
> OIKAD' IMEN SUN NHUSI KORWNISIN, OUDE S' OIW
>
> ENQAD' ATIMOS EWN AQENOS KAI PLOUTON AFUXEIN.
>
> The section that puzzles us is the following: OUDE S' OIW ENQAD'
> ATIMOS
> EWN
>
> We consulted several translations and what puzzles us is that most
> seem
> to ignore the OUDE and though we can translate OIW (hopefully
> correctly)
> as "I think" or "consider". We don't see either "I think",
> "consider" or
> any words like them in any of the translations we consulted. One
> typical
> translation we consulted was by Samuel Butler "it will be much better
> for me to return home with my ships, for I will not stay here
> dishonoured to gather gold and substance for you."
>
> Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
>
> Ed Garcia
> Kansas
>
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Carl W. Conrad
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