[B-Greek] Jn 1:1 - Alternate Reading?

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Thu Oct 5 15:03:54 EDT 2006


I have previously indicated that I do not always agree with Dan Wallace.  I would say that you are barking up the wrong tree in any attempt to assert that Jn 1.1c intends to present the LOGOS as anything less than very God of very God.  Unless you can provide evidence to overturn Grnaville Sharp's rule, it stands.  One of the weaker points of Wallace's discussion of this matter is when he trots out the bogey-man of Sabellianism.  This is a totally non-grammatical argument and will not succeed to prove his point.  Furthermore, should someone on this list attempt to tar me with the brush of Sabellianism (which, I trust, will not occur), he would find himself unsuccessful.  Perhaps you would be better served were you to attempt to ask whether the use of QEOS throughout the whole verse is entirely univocal.

Yes, I am aware that Granville Sharp was untrained theologically.  That is, he was formally untrained though his father was trained.  I would presume that a man of GS's tendencies would acquire some knowledge from his father.  More than that, I am not a degree-snob.  That someone does not have a degree does not indicate that he is unknowledgeable in a field.  I have seen many fools with degrees.
 
george
gfsomsel
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Yet, that same Daniel B. Wallace, in that same GGBB, page 269, says:

"The most likely candidate for QEOS is qualitative.  This is true both  
grammatically (for the largest proportion of pre-verbal anarthrous predicate  
nominatives fall into this category) and theologically (both the theology of the  
Fourth Gospel and of the NT as a whole)."

So, which Dan Wallace do we listen to?

And by the way, since you questioned Dr. Felix Just's bona fides on this  
matter, surely you must know that Granville Sharp was "untrained  theologically"? 
(GGBE, page 270)  

Solomon Landers

In a message dated 10/05/2006 11:29:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
gfsomsel at yahoo.com writes:

Granville Sharp's rule has not been overturned.  LOGOS is  definite and QEOS 
is likewise.

When the  copulative êáé connects two nouns of the same case, [viz. nouns 
(either  substantive or adjective, or participles) of personal description, 
respecting  office, dignity, affinity, or connexion, and attributes, properties, or 
qualities, good or ill], if the article hO, or  any of its cases, precedes 
the first of the said nouns or participles, and is  not repeated before the 
second noun or participle, the latter always relates  to the same person that is 
expressed or described by the first noun or  participle: i.e. it denotes a 
farther description  of the first-named person … . 
(http://us.f385.mail.yahoo.com/dc/launch?action=welcome&YY=581576632&.rand=05o65shqnseob#_ftn1)   



(http://us.f385.mail.yahoo.com/dc/launch?action=welcome&YY=581576632&.rand=05o65shqnseob#_ftnref1) 
Daniel B. Wallace. (1999; 2002). Greek  Grammar Beyond the Basics - 
Exegetical Syntax of the New Testament (271).  Zondervan Publishing House and Galaxie  
Software.








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