[B-Greek] The two hOTAN clauses in 1 Cor 15.24
George F Somsel
gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sun Oct 22 23:49:48 EDT 2006
Moon,
I was never advocating structure (B) -- or structure (A) for that matter. I was simply presenting the possibilities. Whether (B) sounds strange in English is really not to the point since it isn't English with which we are dealing. If structure (B) were to be accepted as correct (probably doubtful) then perhaps it is our English translation which is at fault. At the moment though those are the possibilities and we must decide which we find more convincing.
george
gfsomsel
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From: "moon at sogang.ac.kr" <moon at sogang.ac.kr>
To: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>; moon at sogang.ac.kr; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 1:29:16 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [B-Greek] The two hOTAN clauses in 1 Cor 15.24
[George]:
I don't know what you refer to as "other factors" to solve the problem.
There are no other factors -- that is all we have.
[Moon] => I am sorry. I was not clear. The problem is to choose which
structure for 1 Cor 15:24.
The two potential structures are:
(A)
1. EITA TO TELOS . . .
a. hOTAN PARADIDWi . . .
b. hOTAN KATARGHSHi . . .
and
(B)
1. EITA TO TELOS. . .
a. hOTAN PARADIDWi
1) hOTAN KATARGHSHi . . .
My point was:
(1) The subjunctive moods of the hotan clauses mean that the events
described are potential
(2) The potential event of KATARGHSHi precedes the potential event of
PARADIDWi
(3) The fact (2) does NOT mean that we can choose structure (B).
We need to consider other factors to reach the decision.
The fact is that the temporal clause
hOTAN PARADIDWi ... hOTAN KATARGHSHi
sounds akward. If I use an English example, the temporal clause
"when he arrives home when he has finished school"
sounds strange.
But "when he arrives home after he has finished school" or
"when he arrives after finishing school" sounds OK
Note that NIV, which takes the second hotan clause to be subordinate
to the first hotan clause, translates the second hOTAN as "after".
The reason why "when he arrives home after he has finished school"
sounds OK is not hard to see. The time defined by "after
he has finished school" is unspecific enough so that it can be
further refined by "when he arrives home". But the time defined by
"when he has finished school" is specific enough
so that it is not easy to refine it further by
"when he arrives home". I believe that a similar
logic can be applied to Greek hOTAN clauses.
Moon Jung
Sogang Univ, Seoul, Korea
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