[B-Greek] Heb 5:8 KAIPER etc

Shumaker, Dave R. dshumaker at bbc.edu
Tue Sep 12 07:42:19 EDT 2006


As I understand it, kaiper is a marker for the concessive participle.
Thus, "although" would be the best one word translation.


David R. Shumaker
Instructor of Greek and Biblical Studies
Baptist Bible College
(570) 585-9304
dshumaker at bbc.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Craig J
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:47 PM
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [B-Greek] Heb 5:8 KAIPER etc

Heb 5:8
KAIPER WN hUIOS EMAQEN AF hWN EPAQEN THN hUPAKOHN

In most translations I've looked at, this has the sense of "despite
being a
son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered".

I am wondering if it could instead be translated like this:
"nevertheless,
being a son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered".  Or
"nevertheless, since he was a son, he learned obedience from the things
he
suffered". What do y'all think? Is that reasonable?

IOW the contrast is not the surprise that he should suffer even though
he is
a son, but rather that as well as being a priest, he is also a son and
so
suffering had a positive result, in learning obedience, just as usually
happens with sons. Cf. Heb 12:5-11 where sons are chastened and suffer
for
their benefit at the hands of a loving father. Given the context in
Hebrews
of the prospect of suffering for Christ, 5:9 may also be alluding to
Christ
as a son being a pattern of obedience through suffering.

--
Craig Johnson
Brisbane, Australia
Blog Experiment: http://bloggledegook.blogspot.com/

---
B-Greek home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/bgreek
B-Greek mailing list
B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-greek



More information about the B-Greek mailing list