[B-Greek] Rom 8:28 and RSV?
yancywsmith
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Mon Sep 18 16:13:04 EDT 2006
I'm just curious, but wouldn't it also be possible to see TO PNEUMA
as subject and as the subject continued from verse 26?
Yancy Smith
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On Sep 18, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>
> On Sep 18, 2006, at 11:56 AM, Craig J wrote:
>
>> I was reading an article recently where someone made a theological
>> argument
>> from Rom 8:28, based on the RSV translation...
>>
>> Rom 8:28
>> OIDAMEN DE hOTI TOIS AGAPWSIN TON QEON PANTA SUNERGEI EIS AGAQON
>> TOIS KATA
>> PROQESIN KLHTOIS OUSIN
>>
>> RSV: "We know that in everything God works for good with those who
>> love him,
>> who are called according to his purpose"
>>
>> This is different from how I would have translated it, as also with
>> most
>> other translations I looked at (eg ESV, KJV, NET). Although I did
>> notice my
>> BAGD has the RSV noted as an alternative, although the NET Bible
>> notes
>> doesn't mention this option.
>>
>> Particularly the RSV takes TOIS AGAPWSIN as the ones with whom God
>> SUNERGEI,
>> and has QEOS as the (perhaps implicit) subject. I would have put
>> PANTA as
>> the subject of SUNERGEI. Is the RSV translation an equally valid
>> way to read
>> the grammar of Rom 8:28? What are the pros and cons?
>
> If you really want to get into the give-and-take of opinions on this
> subject, I suggest you do
> an archive search using SUNERGEI. This passage has been discussed
> many times and
> I think it has hashed out about as thoroughly as it can be.
>
> I would hold with what I think is a standard view of this passage,
> that PANTA is the n. pl.
> subject of SUNERGEI. Clearly an alternative view that the subject of
> SUNERGEI must
> be hO QEOS is sufficiently old that it even appears in some
> manuscripts; you might look
> at Metzger's note on this text in his "Textual Commentary." If hO
> QEOS is not deemed
> part of the original text, then understanding PANTA SUNERGEI as the
> subject and
> predicate seems a natural reading of the Greek text -- but it cannot
> be said that reading
> the text with PANTA as object and with an implicit hO QEOS as subject
> is impossible.
>
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
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