[B-Greek] Are there any aspect only language?
Curtis Hinson
curtis at curtishinson.com
Wed Sep 20 12:08:39 EDT 2006
Yes, but nobody said that anybody functions without reference to time. :-)
My point is, cultures think and deal with time differently and that
there's nothing counter-intuitive about that. Each to his own. It's
only counter-intuitive as non-natives are superimposing their foreign
values on the language and culture.
Bless the Name
Curtis Hinson
http://curtishinson.com
P.S. I mistyped "common", whoops.
George F Somsel wrote the following on 9/20/2006 11:02 AM:
> That Chinese doesn't include any time reference in the verb itself
> does not thereby necessarily indicate that time is an afterthought --
> it is simply expressed differently (by your adverbs and particles).
> While I don't know Chinese, I doubt that they would carry on their
> daily lives without reference to time. This applies to all cultures
> whether prior to the mechanical clock or not. It is one thing to say
> that the verb has no temporal component and another to say that a
> culture functions without reference to time.
>
> george
> gfsomsel
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> Your thought doesn't hold up anthropologically speaking. Westerners
> especially after the invention of the mechanical clock think in terms of
> linear precise time, but that doesn't mean everyone does.
>
> Time is experienced and thought of differently by differently cultures.
> No language is counter-intuitive to its natives anymore than a culture
> is counter-intuitive to its members. The idea of intuition/"commen
> sense" itself, I'd gather, only works within the context of a culture,
> so the statement is a meaningless one.
>
> In Chinese there is literally no tense: a verb is one word, one form,
> one pronunciation, one character, every time, everywhere. What time
> sense is there is added with adverbs or particles but those are not
> inherent to the verb in any way. In other words, time is an
> afterthought in Chinese, and aspect. Some other eastern languages share
> similar features although I'm most familiar with PuTongHua and
> GuangDongHua.
>
> Bless the Name
> Curtis Hinson
> http://curtishinson.com <http://curtishinson.com/>
>
> Mitch Larramore wrote the following on 9/20/2006 7:22 AM:
> > It seems to me that if there were one, it would end up
> > like Porter's view of Koine Greek where one tense is
> > almost always used for past, one almost always used
> > for future, and one almost always used for the
> > present. It would appear that that is one of the
> > constraints we as humans have: we think in terms of
> > time. How could some group of people put a language
> > together that is counter-intuitive, especially one the
> > size of Greek? (And if Greek had no tense, I think the
> > Romans would have insisted upon Latin being the lingua
> > franca, and if not, the people would have gravitated
> > toward a tensed language.)
> >
> > Mitch Larramore
> > Sugar Land, Texas
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