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Today's Topics:
1. Newcomer to the list... also very new to NT Greek (Jesse Smith)
2. perseus.tufts Greek word look up (Eddie Mishoe)
3. Re: perseus.tufts Greek word look up (Carl W. Conrad)
4. Re: perseus.tufts Greek word look up (Jim West)
5. Re: perseus.tufts Greek word look up (John McChesney-Young)
6. Greek Instructional Software? (Christopher Shelton)
7. Re: Greek Instructional Software? (George F Somsel)
8. Re: Greek Instructional Software? (Carl W. Conrad)
9. Re: Greek Instructional Software? (Carl W. Conrad)
10. Why are there so many words in Greek? (James Bowick)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:43:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jesse Smith <jesse_r_smith at yahoo.com>
Subject: [B-Greek] Newcomer to the list... also very new to NT Greek
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Hello everyone,
I am a 'newbie' here, and am just returning to a study of NT Greek. As
such, I don;t imagine I'll have too much to say for a while, but it is
my hope that reading some of the discussions on the list will help open
my eyes to some things that otherwise I might miss. And hopefully, with
God's grace I'll be able to find the needed time, between work and a new
daughter shortly to be born, and time devoted to Church, to give the
study the time and devotion I know it requires and deserves. I look
forward to making the aquaintance of many of you!
Christ is risen!
Jesse R Smith
East Haven, CT
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:36:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eddie Mishoe <edmishoe at yahoo.com>
Subject: [B-Greek] perseus.tufts Greek word look up
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I can access the main page, but once I click on Other
Tools & Lexica, I get "Access Forbidden!"
Is this a restricted site now?
Eddie Mishoe
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:07:24 -0700
From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] perseus.tufts Greek word look up
To: Eddie Mishoe <edmishoe at yahoo.com>
Cc: B Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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On Monday, April 09, 2007, at 04:36PM, "Eddie Mishoe"
<edmishoe at yahoo.com> wrote:
>I can access the main page, but once I click on Other
>Tools & Lexica, I get "Access Forbidden!"
>
>Is this a restricted site now?
No; the problem is that the major server at Tufts broke down a week or
ten days ago;
here's a note at the site just posted this morning, I think it is:
"On April 3, 2007, Perseus hardware was compromised. In order to protect
our data
and comply with university policy, a number of servers were removed from
the
network, making Tufts-hosted Perseus sites inoperable. Repairs are in
progress
and we expect to complete them over the next week. We apologize for the
inconvenience."
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:52:18 -0400
From: Jim West <jwest at highland.net>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] perseus.tufts Greek word look up
To: Eddie Mishoe <edmishoe at yahoo.com>, B Greek
<b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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Ah- refresh page helps some...
On April 3, 2007, Perseus hardware was compromised. In order to protect
our data and comply with university policy, a number of servers were
removed from the network, making Tufts-hosted Perseus sites inoperable.
Repairs are in progress and we expect to complete them over the next
week. We apologize for the inconvenience.
From their website homepage.
Eddie Mishoe wrote:
> I can access the main page, but once I click on Other
> Tools & Lexica, I get "Access Forbidden!"
--
Jim West, ThD
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:42:50 -0700
From: John McChesney-Young <panis at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] perseus.tufts Greek word look up
To: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad2 at mac.com>, Eddie Mishoe
<edmishoe at yahoo.com>
Cc: B Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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On Monday, April 09, 2007, at 04:36PM, "Eddie Mishoe"
<edmishoe at yahoo.com> had written:
>>I can access the main page, but once I click on Other
>>Tools & Lexica, I get "Access Forbidden!"...
At 2:07 PM -0700 4/9/07, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>No; the problem is that the major server at Tufts broke down a week
>or ten days ago;
>here's a note at the site just posted this morning ...
The Berlin mirror seems to be at least semi-functional:
http://perseus.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/ (main site)
http://tinyurl.com/ypstbm (Perseus Tools and Information)
The pages take a long time to load, but the ones I've checked have
done so eventually.
John
--
*** John McChesney-Young ** panis~at~pacbell.net ** Berkeley,
California, U.S.A. ***
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:57:46 -0400
From: Christopher Shelton <christophershelt at bellsouth.net>
Subject: [B-Greek] Greek Instructional Software?
To: B-Greek <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>, Greek Study
<greekstudy at nxport.com>
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To One And All--
Within the last month or so I remember seeing a reference to a new
instructional software for studying Greek. I am only at the end of my
second semester, but I love Greek software. If this is considered
"off-topic" or violates any of the rules of "netiquette," please contact
me at my own email address: christophershelt at bellsouth.net
I tried tracking this new software down all over the place and I
can't seem to find it. All I know is that it is recent and relatively
affordable. Thank you very much.
Christopher Shelton
Fort Lauderdale, FL
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:01:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Greek Instructional Software?
To: Christopher Shelton <christophershelt at bellsouth.net>, B-Greek
<B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>, Greek Study <greekstudy at nxport.com>
Message-ID: <509122.58517.qm at web38508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I don't believe this is off-topic, but I'm not the moderator. The
information page states
"B-Greek focuses on the Greek language of the Bible, Greek texts, ***
and resources helpful for understanding the text and language of the
Bible ***"
so I think you're safe with this topic. The question I have is whether
you have any further information regarding the software you were
referencing. There is a considerable number of programs and books which
are billed as aids to the study of Greek. Without this information it
would be simply a matter of recommending something which may not be what
interested you.
george
gfsomsel
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From: Christopher Shelton <christophershelt at bellsouth.net>
To: B-Greek <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>; Greek Study
<greekstudy at nxport.com>
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 9:57:46 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] Greek Instructional Software?
To One And All--
Within the last month or so I remember seeing a reference to a new
instructional software for studying Greek. I am only at the end of my
second semester, but I love Greek software. If this is considered
"off-topic" or violates any of the rules of "netiquette," please contact
me at my own email address: christophershelt at bellsouth.net
I tried tracking this new software down all over the place and I
can't seem to find it. All I know is that it is recent and relatively
affordable. Thank you very much.
Christopher Shelton
Fort Lauderdale, FL
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:02:30 -0700
From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Greek Instructional Software?
To: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
Cc: Greek Study <greekstudy at nxport.com>, B-Greek
<B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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George quite correctly notes that your question falls within the
explicitly-named matters open to discussion on B-Greek.
There's quite a bit out there and I think it would be difficult to give
an exhaustive list. But among the items you might find
useful are the PDF materials that are available from "Textkit" at
http://www.textkit.com/
Another very useful site with pointers to much else is "Greek Grammar on
the Web" at
http://perswww.kuleuven.be/%7Eu0013314/greekg.htm
That one will lead you to quite a number of other useful sites and will
keep you busy
for a while. Nor do I doubt that others will make some other
suggestions.
The above are not limited to Biblical Greek, but my recollection is that
it is Classical
Attic Greek that you have been working with. For Biblical Greek there
are quite a
few commercial software packages that are not so much instructional as
they are
Bible-study packages with resources for exploration of Biblical texts in
Greek.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
On Monday, April 09, 2007, at 11:01PM, "George F Somsel"
<gfsomsel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>I don't believe this is off-topic, but I'm not the moderator. The
information page states
>
>"B-Greek focuses on the Greek language of the Bible, Greek texts, ***
and resources helpful for understanding the text and language of the
Bible ***"
>so I think you're safe with this topic. The question I have is whether
you have any further information regarding the software you were
referencing. There is a considerable number of programs and books which
are billed as aids to the study of Greek. Without this information it
would be simply a matter of recommending something which may not be what
interested you.
>
>george
>gfsomsel
>_________
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Christopher Shelton <christophershelt at bellsouth.net>
>To: B-Greek <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>; Greek Study
<greekstudy at nxport.com>
>Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 9:57:46 PM
>Subject: [B-Greek] Greek Instructional Software?
>
>
>To One And All--
> Within the last month or so I remember seeing a reference to a new
>instructional software for studying Greek. I am only at the end of my
>second semester, but I love Greek software. If this is considered
>"off-topic" or violates any of the rules of "netiquette," please
contact
>me at my own email address: christophershelt at bellsouth.net
>
> I tried tracking this new software down all over the place and I
>can't seem to find it. All I know is that it is recent and relatively
>affordable. Thank you very much.
>
>Christopher Shelton
>Fort Lauderdale, FL
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:11:24 -0700
From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Greek Instructional Software?
To: B-Greek <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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On Tuesday, April 10, 2007, at 08:03AM, "Carl W. Conrad"
<cwconrad2 at mac.com> wrote:
>George quite correctly notes that your question falls within the
explicitly-named matters open to discussion on B-Greek.
>
>There's quite a bit out there and I think it would be difficult to give
an exhaustive list. But among the items you might find
>useful are the PDF materials that are available from "Textkit" at
> http://www.textkit.com/
>Another very useful site with pointers to much else is "Greek Grammar
on the Web" at
> http://perswww.kuleuven.be/%7Eu0013314/greekg.htm
That didn't come out very clearly: use this instead:
http://tinyurl.com/2fqerx
>That one will lead you to quite a number of other useful sites and will
keep you busy
>for a while. Nor do I doubt that others will make some other
suggestions.
>The above are not limited to Biblical Greek, but my recollection is
that it is Classical
>Attic Greek that you have been working with. For Biblical Greek there
are quite a
>few commercial software packages that are not so much instructional as
they are
>Bible-study packages with resources for exploration of Biblical texts
in Greek.
>
>Carl W. Conrad
>Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)
>1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
>cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
>WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
>
>
>On Monday, April 09, 2007, at 11:01PM, "George F Somsel"
<gfsomsel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>I don't believe this is off-topic, but I'm not the moderator. The
information page states
>>
>>"B-Greek focuses on the Greek language of the Bible, Greek texts, ***
and resources helpful for understanding the text and language of the
Bible ***"
>>so I think you're safe with this topic. The question I have is
whether you have any further information regarding the software you were
referencing. There is a considerable number of programs and books which
are billed as aids to the study of Greek. Without this information it
would be simply a matter of recommending something which may not be what
interested you.
>>
>>george
>>gfsomsel
>>_________
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: Christopher Shelton <christophershelt at bellsouth.net>
>>To: B-Greek <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>; Greek Study
<greekstudy at nxport.com>
>>Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 9:57:46 PM
>>Subject: [B-Greek] Greek Instructional Software?
>>
>>
>>To One And All--
>> Within the last month or so I remember seeing a reference to a
new
>>instructional software for studying Greek. I am only at the end of my
>>second semester, but I love Greek software. If this is considered
>>"off-topic" or violates any of the rules of "netiquette," please
contact
>>me at my own email address: christophershelt at bellsouth.net
>>
>> I tried tracking this new software down all over the place and I
>>can't seem to find it. All I know is that it is recent and relatively
>>affordable. Thank you very much.
>>
>>Christopher Shelton
>>Fort Lauderdale, FL
>>
>>
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:40:34 -0400
From: "James Bowick" <james at bowick.com>
Subject: [B-Greek] Why are there so many words in Greek?
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Hello,
Steve Martin once said "Those French have a word for everything!" I am
in
the middle of studying for a Greek final exam and would say "Those
Greeks
have five words for everything!" I am becoming acutely aware of the
huge
number of synonyms, and it got me to wondering "why?'
While the question is born of student angst, I really did get wondering
about it. My very casual observation, no doubt skewered by the body of
literature I am studying, is that there seem to be a huge number of
synonyms
for logical connectors, and abstract nouns, but not for core root words,
such as "mother," "father." I am guessing that there are also a large
number of synonyms for other concrete nouns, but not in the corpus I am
studying.
I did not observe this phenomenon in Hebrew but it is definitely
characteristic of English. In English the cause can be traced to a huge
number of loan words, especially from French, that create synonyms, some
of
which have diverged in use. But we keep a huge number of Germanic words
and
the French counterpart in our language.
My casual speculation is that Greek underwent a similar merger with a
related language sometime in prehistory. The languages, I speculate,
shared
base words, such as "mother" and "father" but had been separated for
some
time, developing independantly words for "love" and other abstract
concepts. I am guessing it was not the merger of the classical dialects
into Koine as I had not heard of substantial different vocabularies for
these dialects, but again, I could be just missing the info.
I would be curious to here the reflections of those of you in the know.
As
I said, this is just a casual observation that I have had no time to put
any
real study into. What do you think?
James Bowick
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