[B-Greek] love: or love,

Harold Holmyard hholmyard3 at earthlink.net
Wed Apr 11 14:23:05 EDT 2007


Dear Scott,

You need to watch how you address your posts. They are not going to 
b-greek. You have to put b-greek's address in the "To:" box as a 
deliberate action.
> "The collective singular for KARPOS is a well-established usage" is a given
> (cf. BDAG "the sing. used collectively: Diod. S. 3, 24, 1").  Just for
> clarification, how are you saying that this impacts the understanding of Gal
> 5:22.  Should it be understood as (A) a simple list: "the fruit of the
> Spirit is [all of the following]: love , joy, etc., or (B) AGAPE as
> epexegetical: "the fruit of the Spirit is love [which is manifested as]:
> joy, peace, etc." or something else?
>   

HH: I am saying that the singular "fruit" cannot be used to make the 
assumption that interpretation B is correct. 

Yours,
Harold Holmyard
> Blessings,
> Scott Wells
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:43
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>
> Scott Wells wrote:
>   
>> Forgive me for belaboring the point; I want to ensure I understand 
>> correctly how you are approaching this text.  Paul's usage in Gal 3:16 
>> (a deliberate & conspicuous plural usage for a normally collective 
>> singular noun) establishes a paradigm whereby all plural usages of 
>> normally collective singular nouns should be understood.  Does that 
>> statement accurately represent your understanding of Paul's usage?  If 
>> that is the case, is this something that is more readily applicable to 
>> Pauline texts (in contrast to, e.g., the plural usage in Matthew 
>> 7:16-20, Luke 3:8, James 3:17?  Thanks for your insights.
>>   
>>     
>
> HH: That seems to be the opposite of what I said. Paul very obviously made a
> wordplay with  "seed" in Gal 3:16, but he does nothing like that in Gal
> 5:22-23, so we should not assume such a wordplay.
>
> You mention three passages with five verses where you see the plural
> "fruits," but even one of those verses uses the collective singular (Matt
> 7:19). The fact is that the collective singular for KARPOS is a
> well-established usage. The word occurs 67 times in the NT, and 51 of those
> times it is singular, almost always, if not always, with a collective sense.
> So the collective singular for KARPOS is by far the most common use of the
> word. The collective singular for SPERMATOS  is also the standard,
> established usage, although the word can take a plural.
>
> Yours,
> Harold Holmyard
>
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