[B-Greek] AUTO TOUTO (2 Cor. 7:11)--referring to what??
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Thu Apr 26 05:31:17 EDT 2007
On Apr 25, 2007, at 10:46 PM, Webb wrote:
> IDOU GAR AUTO TOUTO TO KATA QEON LUPHQHNAI POSHN KATEIRGASATO hUMIN
> SPOUDHN ALLA APOLOGIAN ALLA AGANAKTHSIN ALLA FOBON ALLA EPIPOQHSIN
> ALLA
> ZHLON ALLA EKDIKHSIN
> EN PANTI SUNESTHSATE hEAUTOUS hAGNOUS EINAI TWi PRAGMATI
> (2 Cor. 7:11)
> After all, look at exactly what God's kind of pain* accomplished in
> you: not
> just active commitment, not just determination to clear yourselves,
> not just
> anger, not just alarm, but also yearning, passion, action to right the
> wrong. In every way, you've shown yourselves to be innocent in this
> thing.
> (The Spoken English New Testament, first draft)
>
> Friends,
> I've taken this as meaning,
> IDOU GAR AUTO TOUTO TO
> (KATA QEON LUPHQHNAI POSHN KATEIRGASATO hUMIN)
> SPOUDHN-ALLA-APOLOGIAN-ALLA-AGANAKTHSIN-ALLA-FOBON-ALLA-EPIPOQHSIN-
> ALLA-ZHLO
> N-ALLA-EKDIKHSIN
>
> In other words, I had seen AUTO TOUTO TO referring to the entire
> rhetorically ascensive list of characteristics which was stirred up
> in the
> Corinthians by such (POSHN) godly discomfort (KATA QEON LUPHQHNAI)
> as Paul
> has just been talking about in the previous verse.
> But I see I'm totally outnumbered by translators who think AUTO
> TOUTO refers
> to the godly discomfort: "this very godly discomfort". If that's
> the case,
> does POSHN become untranslatable because in English you can't have
> both
> "this" and "such" modifying the same thing?
> Is my reading possible? Is it unbearably strained?
I think those other translators are right. I don't see how
we can separate POSHN from those accusative objects
and I also don't see how those accusative objects and
the dative hUMIN can be separated from the verb
KATEIRGASATO. On the other hand the substantival
infinitive with its adverbial phrase is a natural unit which
can only serve as the subject of the verb KATEIRGASATO --
and AUTO obviously goes with TOUTO TO ... LUPHQHNAI.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
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