[B-Greek] Fw: Use of Accusative case

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sun Aug 19 14:32:36 EDT 2007


Apparently I ony hit "reply" rather than "reply all" so here it is.
 
george
gfsomsel
 
Therefore, O faithful Christian, search for truth, hear truth, 
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.
 
- Jan Hus
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----- Forwarded Message ----
From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
To: John M. Linebarger <jmlineb at comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 12:56:15 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Use of Accusative case


 
τὸν θεὸν ὡ δοξάζετε …
TON QEON hW EDOCAZETE …
 
It cannot be "God, whom we glorify …" since δοξάζετε [DOCAZETE] is aor 2 sg imv.  You should know how to translate this section now and the reason for τὸν θεὸν [TON QEON] in the acc should be clear though I haven't figured out whether ὡ [hW] is simply written defectively as it seems frequently to be in the LXX (In which case it would be a dat sg] or whether it should really be ὦ [O] = O in English.
 
I seem to see other problems here as well.  Perhaps James or Erik Weiss who are familiar with current Orthodox usage could help.
 
george
gfsomsel 
 
Therefore, O faithful Christian, search for truth, hear truth, 
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.
 
- Jan Hus
_________ 



----- Original Message ----
From: John M. Linebarger <jmlineb at comcast.net>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:34:13 AM
Subject: [B-Greek] Use of Accusative case


Please forgive what may seem like an obvious grammatical issue, but I'm just starting to teach an Elementary Greek class at our church and I need to have an explanation for my students.  I'm trying to lighten the class up by singing songs on Bill Mounce's Web site, and I love the Doxology in Greek.  (I'm a former student of J.I. Packer at Regent College, and he always started his class this way, so it brings back great memories.)  The Doxology in Greek can be found at:

http://www.teknia.com/public/pdf/Doxologia.pdf

My question is the accusative case that starts the doxology off:  TON THEON W DOXAZETE. Why is it in the accusative case instead of in the nominative case, especially since the relative pronoun appears to be in the dative case?  I've scoured the usual grammars without success.

Also, is this a reasonable working translation:

God, whom we glorify
The creatures which you have made delight in [your] gift
Father, Son, and Spirit, Amen.

Many thanks!  Eulogetoi!

John M. Linebarger
Albuquerque, New Mexico
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