[B-Greek] Lucian's word for revered
Michael J Miles
mjmorthotics0 at msn.com
Sat Dec 1 12:11:12 EST 2007
Thought this might also add to the understanding: From TGW (Thayer's
Grimm's-Wilke's). Mike Miles :
αἰδώς (aidōs, 127), (-όος) -οῦς, ἡ, [AIDWS, aidös, hë]; fr. Hom. down; a
sense of shame, modesty: 1 Tim. 2: 9; reverence, Heb. 12: 28 (λατρεύειν θεῷ
μετὰ αἰδοῦς καὶ εὐλαβείας, [LATREUEIN QEWi (Theö) META AIDOUS KAI EULABEIAS]
but L T Tr WH εὐλαβείας καὶ δέους [EULABEIAS KAI DEOUS] ).
[Syn. αἰδώς, αἰσχύνη [AIDWS, AISXUNH (aischunë)]: Ammonius distinguishes the
words as follows, αἰδὼς καὶ αἰσχύνη διαφέρει, ὅτι ἡ μὲν αἰδώς ἐστιν ἐντροπὴ
πρὸς ἕκαστον, ὡς σεβομένως τις ἔχει, αἰσχύνη δ’ ἐφ’ οἷς ἕκαστος ἁμαρτὼν
αἰσχύνεται, ὡς μὴ δέον τι πράξας. καὶ αἰδεῖται μέν τις τὸν πατέρα,
αἰσχύνεται δὲ ὃς μεθύσκεται, [aidös kai aischunë diapherei, hoti hë men
aidös estin entropë pros hekaston, hös sebomenös tis echei, aischunë d' eph'
hois hekastos hamartön aischunetai, hös më deon ti praxas. kai aideitai men
tis ton patera, aischunetai de hös methusketai] etc., etc.; accordingly αἰδ.
[AID. is prominently objective in its reference, having regard to others;
while αἰσχ. [AISX.] is subjective, making reference to one’s self and one's
actions. Cf. Schmidt ch. 140. It is often said that “αἰδ. [AID.] precedes
and prevents the shameful act, αἰσχ. [AISX.] reflects upon its consequences
in the shame it brings with it” (Cope, Aristot. rhet. 5, 6, 1). αἰδ. [AID.]
is the nobler word, αἰσχ. [AISX.] the stronger; while “αἰδ. [AID.] would
always restrain a good man from an unworthy act, αἰσχ. [AISX.] would
sometimes restrain a bad one.” Trench §§ xix. xx.]*
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From: "Anita Clerke" <clerke at humanperformance.cc>
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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 11:57 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] Lucian's word for revered
>I would greatly appreciate help for the following 3 questions:
> 1) Lucian of Samosata's work "The Passing of Peregrinus" has the
> following statement on pages 12-13 (paragraph 11), as found in The
> Loeb Classical Library, Lucian with an English Translation by AM
> Harmon Volume V, 1972:
>
> "He [Peregrinus] interpreted and explained some of their books and
> even composed many, and they [Christians] revered him as a god, made
> use of him as a lawgiver."
>
> και αυνεγραφεν και ως θεον αυτον
> εκεινοι ηδουντο και νομοθετη εχροντο
>
> KAI AUNEGPAFEN KAI hOS QEON AUTOΝ EKEINOI HiDOUNTO KAI NOMOQETΗι
> ECRONTO
>
> I know that he [Lucian] was writing in Attic Greek, but could someone
> explain which of these words is being translated as revered. It would
> seem to me to be ηδουντο HiDOUNTO. Hence the sentence would
> read something like this word for word:
>
> And composed [books] and as God him [Peregrinus] they [the
> Christians] revered and as lawgiver ...
>
> 2) As Sir Richard Jebb translated the passage as "regarded him as a
> god", and assuming that HiDOUNTO is the word for "regard", does it
> only strictly mean regard in the sense of "I regard him as a great
> scholar" ie. "I consider him as..".? Hence the word regard does not
> necessarily carry the meaning, in and of itself, of a high regard or
> lofty reverence fitting only for a god.
>
> 3) Whichever word is used as revered/regarded, is it found in the New
> Testament?
>
> Regards
> Jonathan Clerke
> clerke at humanperformance.cc
>
>
>
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