[B-Greek] Online teaching tools

Mark Lightman lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Sat Dec 8 11:12:27 EST 2007


After years of basically just silently reading NT Greek, I am
  trying to do more with speaking and hearing it and I'm not sure
  what the solution to pronunciation is.  The problem, as others
  have pointed out, is that Erasmian pronunciation is simply
  awful, it sounds bad and it makes your lips and tongue do things that
  are just unnatural for an English speaker or I imagine any speaker,
  probably even Erasmus himself.  Plus the shifting accents, and the
  fact that English speakers cannot pronounce long vowels and short 
  vowels (as opposed to half vowels) in the same word and get the
  stress right at the same time.  Modern Greek pronunciation, on the
  other hand, sounds better and is MUCH easier to master.  For example,
  I have the Lord's prayer memorized and try to recite it in Greek everyday.
  I have been using Erasmian pronunciation for 20 years, whereas I learned
  modern Greek pronunciation just a few months ago from one of those
  Greek for travelers booklets and tapes, and yet right now I can say the 
  Lord's Prayer EASIER and FASTER in Modern Greek.  In fact, if you mess
  around with modern Greek at all, you will find that you start slipping into it.
  At first, it sounds crazy to pronounce AUTOS aftos, but do it for a bit and
  after a while you will come to abhor the sound owtos.  On the other hand,
  it is, as Sarah says, untenable for learners of NT Greek to pronounce 
  hUMIN and hHMIN the same; it's hard enough not to get them confused
  when reading.  Randal Buth's scheme is probably a good idea as a 
  compromise, but having started in modern Greek, I'm not ready yet to 
  learn a THIRD way to do it.
       I think the best solution is to first really get Erasmus down, listen to it and 
  speak it and think in it, and then to learn modern Greek pronunciation.  If
  Nikole Kidman can act with an American accent without forgetting how to
  use her Australian accent at home, I think we too can do both.  Erasmus is
  too useful in terms of spelling and reading to forgo, and yet 100 million (or
  whatever it is)  modern Greeks cannot be wrong.
      One final note.  I taught my six year old to memorize the Lord's prayer in 
  Greek with Erasmian pronunciation and he says it better and faster than me,
  getting the accents right and being more flowing and less choppy than for
  example Jonathan Pennigton's Zondervan recordings.  So I guess kids can
  even make Erasmus work. 
Sarah Madden <sarah.r.madden at gmail.com> wrote:
  Unless one is speaking with or listening to modern Greek speakers, or
listening to Greek Orthodox sermons, I'm interested in knowing what the
advantage (if any) is to most students of NT Greek to learn the modern
pronunciation? I personally like the fact that Erasmus came up with a method
that helps identify words by their sounds -- every letter is pronounced, and
the vowels each have their own sounds. My experience with mentoring students
is that the ones who know modern Greek (either because of living in Greece
or by getting an audio tape and learning it) might be able to read the text,
but their spelling and recognition/understanding of the nuances
between particular words (e.g., hWS versus hOS) is weak. Any thoughts?

Sarah Madden

On Dec 7, 2007 2:39 PM, Jack Custer wrote:

> I am a new arrival and look forward to profitable discussions here.
>
> I would be very interested in hearing of any online AUDIO resources which
> present biblical (LXX and NT) or patristic texts using the "liturgical" or
> "modern" (I would say "native") pronunciation (as opposed to the "Erasmian"
> used in just about every academic institution in North America).
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Fr. Jack Custer
> Academic Dean
> Byzantine Catholic Seminary
> Pittsburgh PA USA
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