[B-Greek] Hebrews 1:1-2 EN
George F Somsel
gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Thu Dec 20 08:03:28 EST 2007
Are you truly sure that the instances of EN in Heb 1.1-2 are instrumental? The author MAY have intended "through the persons of the prophets" or he may have intended "in the books of the prophets." Note Mk 1.2
Καθὼς γέγραπται ἐν τῷ Ἠσαΐᾳ τῷ προφήτῃ·
KAQWS GEGRAPTAI EN TWi HSAIAi TWi PROFHTHi
Here the author appears to be referring to the work rather than the person of the prophet.
george
gfsomsel
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From: "Alderman, Jim" <jim.alderman at G3TP.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:05:03 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Hebrews 1:1-2 EN
For many years Zondervan's Greek and English NT with Nestle's 21st and Rev. Marshall's literal translation, along with H.K. Moulton for parsing, met all of my needs. I was pleased with Marshall's accuracy, especially verb tenses. Recently, a Bible study group I lead began working Hebrews. We start, as always, with "what does it say" and after that is established move to "what does it mean." Marshall translated the EN of EN TOIS PROFHTAIS as "by" and of EN hUIWi as "in." I didn't really notice the difference until I made the sentence tree diagram of the first two verses that I referenced previously.
It seemed to me that I had found an uncommon instance of Marshall failing to achieve his stated goals of "avoiding interpretation" in favor of a "literal translation." Hence, I posed my question.
George F Somsel wrote:
> Consider the case of Mt 2.1
>
> Τοῦ δὲ Ἰησοῦ γεννηθέντος ἐν Βηθλέεμ τῆς Ἰουδαίας ἐν ἡμέραις Ἡρῴδου
> τοῦ βασιλέως
>
> TOU DE IHSOU GENNHQENTOS EN BHQLEEM THS IOUDAIAS EN hHMERAIS hHRWiDOU
> TOU BASILEWS
>
> Here we have the same preposition repeated as in Heb 1.1-2 about which you > ask. Would you understand the first EN in the same manner as the second?
I understand the first EN to involve the locality of place and the second the notion of time while both occurrences of EN in Heb. 1:1-2 are instrumental.
James L. Alderman
Takton Systems, Inc.
Indianapolis, IN (USA)
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