[B-Greek] THIASARCH once only

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Thu Dec 27 14:09:06 EST 2007


I think here we have analogy to rely on.  In MPol the official was called ὁ εἰρήναρχος Ἡρώδης [hO EIRHARXOS hHRWDHS] which etymologically is "the peace-leader Herod" which is translated by Holmes as "police magistrate."  I would say that such a designation is appropriate.  The word θιασἀρχης is a similar compound.  In this case it derives from θιάσος [QIASOS] and ἄρχων [ARXWN]. The θιάσος [QIASOS] was a Bacchic revel of which the ἄρχων [ARXWN] was in charge as the εἰρήναρχος [EIRHNARXOS] was in charge of keeping the peace.  Sometimes there is nothing to do but to rely on etymology and analogy.  In this case I think analogy plays a large part.
 
george
gfsomsel
 
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----- Original Message ----
From: Daniel Goepfrich <pastor at oaktree.cc>
To: Carl W. Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 10:57:33 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] THIASARCH once only

I have a question that springs from something Dr. Conrad said below:

But it doesn't matter; the meaning of QIASARCHS is perfectly
clear from its elements. In this instance there's little to guess at in
the meaning of the elements QIASOS and ARCH of which the word
is compounded.

Frequently on the list we read that the etymology of compound words does not
necessarily give the true meaning of the compound. Yet here, it's "perfectly
clear from its elements".

Other than by just knowing the meanings of compounds, is there a way to tell
which parts make up the whole and which don't?

Thanks

Daniel Goepfrich


On 12/27/07, Carl W. Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 27, 2007, at 08:12AM, "Anita Clerke" <
> clerke at humanperformance.cc> wrote:
> >Thank you Elizabeth for doing that search. It is much appreciated.
> >
> >Thank you too George for clarifying that the search I performed on
> >CCE Library yielded a result that, although to me at first sight
> >seemed to have been another early christian writers comment on the
> >death of Polycarp, was in fact just a chapter from a book written
> >just over a  hundred years ago:
> >History of the Origins of Christianity. Book VI. The Reigns of
> >Hadrian and Antoninus Pius. (A.D. 117-161)Author: Renan, Joseph
> >Ernest (1823-1892).
> >
> >I did realise at the time it wasn't the original MPol, that is: The
> >letter of the Smyrnaeans or the Martyrdom of Polycarp
> >Translated by J.B. Lightfoot.  Adapt. and mod. (c) 1990. ATHENA DATA
> >PRODUCTS http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/martyrdompolycarp-
> >lightfoot.html 23/12/2007; but I certainly had thought the chapter
> >titled "The Martyrdom of Polycarpus" was from an early Christian
> >source. Thanks again.
> >
> >I am amazed that THIASARCH appears only once in all of Greek
> >literature, Christian and non-Christian.
> >Could it be that Lucian made a portmanteau in this particular
> >instance? Given his extraordinary imagination I presume this is
> >possible. At odds with this is the thought that if he had made a new
> >word at this point, he may have been unlikely to have been so modest
> >about it.
>
> It's hardly reasonable to suppose that Lucian is the only author who
> ever used this word -- and George said that clearly enough. It's hardly
> the case that all the Greek literature of any period whatsoever has
> survived. But it doesn't matter; the meaning of QIASARCHS is perfectly
> clear from its elements. In this instance there's little to guess at in
> the meaning of the elements QIASOS and ARCH of which the word
> is compounded. A rather similar word is ARCHGOS in the GNT --
> my memory may not be correct (I'm away from my home library at
> the moment -- my recollection is that it appears only once in the GNT
> -- in Hebrews 11 -- and that it's not seen elsewhere.
>
> >Are there any other words used by Lucian that do not appear in any
> >other extant literature?
> >
> >Did any of the Greek writers within a few hundred years of Lucian
> >produce new words, and made a point of indicating that they had in
> >fact done so?
>
> You really do have to take into account that the evidence from which
> we must make judgments about this sort of thing is really far too
> scanty, proportionately speaking.
>
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)
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