[B-Greek] Secret Mark

Matt Jones mattj at instruction.com
Thu Dec 27 21:08:00 EST 2007


 I respect the diversity of opinion on this topic, but I believe if you
look at SM closely, it speaks for itself.  It either is legitimate or
some incredibly brilliant person figured out how an earlier version of
Markprobably read.  I think more scholars support SM that dismiss it, and
with good reason.  I also wish someone would devote the investigative
efforts the text deserves and give it a comprehensive treatment.  Brown
did that, but other, non-biased voices with differing points of view
would be nice.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: goranson at duke.edu
  To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
  Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Secret Mark
  Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:58:41 -0500




  I note that Adela Yarbro-Collins, noted Mark scholar, considers
  "Secret Mark" a fake. So do I. In Archaeology Sept. 1960 page 173
  advised
  readers to examine old books in old libraries for marginal notes, but
  Smith
  failed to tell readers if the Voss book had marginalia. Smith
  failed to examine
  a folder of older Mar Saba manuscript fragments--odd if he was
  looking for
  notable mss. Smith did not bother to publish his catalog in English,
  though he
  wrote it in English; odd, if cataloging were really his purpose.
  Smith failed
  to go to Jerusalem, where most Mar Saba mss are kept, to check if
  another ms
  existed by the "Secret Mark" scribe. Odd, had he thought the ms
  genuine.

  Stephen Goranson
  http://www.duke.edu/~goranson


  Quoting "Carl W. Conrad" :

  > Yes, I read "Decoding Mark." It involves a very elaborate
  conception
  > of chiastic
  > numerical relationships governing the entire text of Marcus. I
  didn't
  > find it very
  > convincing; indeed, it seemed to me to require a very great
  suspension of
  > disbelief.
  >
  > Carl W. Conrad
  > Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)
  >
  >
  > On Wednesday, December 26, 2007, at 07:14PM, "Mary Wells"
  > wrote:
  >> Thanks. I'll look into it and "Mark's Other Gospel". Has anyone
  read
  >> "Decoding Mark"? Apparently it supports the authenticity of SM.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> ----- Original Message -----
  >> From: "Carl W. Conrad"
  >> To: "Matt Jones"
  >> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Secret Mark
  >> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:04:18 -0800
  >>
  >>
  >> I would certainly urge anyone seriously studying Secret Mark to
  >> include
  >> Stephen Carlson's "The Gospel Hoax: Morton Smith's Invention of
  >> Secret Mark."
  >> It's not really an attack on Smith but a carefully-argued and
  >> well-documented
  >> analysis of the work. Carlson argues that Smith left several hints
  at
  >> the
  >> authorship of the document.
  >>
  >> Carl W. Conrad
  >> Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)
  >>
  >>
  >> On Wednesday, December 26, 2007, at 10:58AM, "Matt Jones"
  >> wrote:
  >> > Probably the best current book is Scott Brown's "Mark's Other
  >> > Gospel". Morton Smith wrote two books. One is out of print and
  >> > the other is a
  >> > popular version that doesn't really give a good analysis of the
  >> topic,
  >> > even though it is a good read. A couple of recent books have
  >> attacked
  >> > Secret Mark, or more accurately, Morton Smith, but I think
  Brown's
  >> book
  >> > probably has the most valuable information. I've heard rumors
  >> someone is
  >> > working on another book, but don't recall who.
  >> >
  >> > ----- Original Message -----
  >> > From: "Mary Wells"
  >> > To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
  >> > Subject: [B-Greek] Secret Mark
  >> > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:24:10 -0500
  >> >
  >> >
  >> > Anyone know of a really good source on the Secret Gospel of
  Mark?
  >> >
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