[B-Greek] Secret Mark

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Fri Dec 28 06:53:39 EST 2007


I would hope that we're not going to try to settle the question of the
authenticity of "Secret Mark" by a majority vote, certainly not on this
list, where it's a tangential issue. Unquestionably there are those
who continue to affirm its authenticity as there are those who have
serious doubts about it. If there's a desire to discuss this further, I
would suggest taking it to the TC discussion list, either Wieland
Willker's list: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/textualcriticism/

or a new TC group recently organized:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tclist/

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)

 
On Thursday, December 27, 2007, at 09:08PM, "Matt Jones" <mattj at instruction.com> wrote:
> I respect the diversity of opinion on this topic, but I believe if you
>look at SM closely, it speaks for itself.  It either is legitimate or
>some incredibly brilliant person figured out how an earlier version of
>Markprobably read.  I think more scholars support SM that dismiss it, and
>with good reason.  I also wish someone would devote the investigative
>efforts the text deserves and give it a comprehensive treatment.  Brown
>did that, but other, non-biased voices with differing points of view
>would be nice.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: goranson at duke.edu
>  To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>  Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Secret Mark
>  Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:58:41 -0500
>
>
>
>
>  I note that Adela Yarbro-Collins, noted Mark scholar, considers
>  "Secret Mark" a fake. So do I. In Archaeology Sept. 1960 page 173
>  advised
>  readers to examine old books in old libraries for marginal notes, but
>  Smith
>  failed to tell readers if the Voss book had marginalia. Smith
>  failed to examine
>  a folder of older Mar Saba manuscript fragments--odd if he was
>  looking for
>  notable mss. Smith did not bother to publish his catalog in English,
>  though he
>  wrote it in English; odd, if cataloging were really his purpose.
>  Smith failed
>  to go to Jerusalem, where most Mar Saba mss are kept, to check if
>  another ms
>  existed by the "Secret Mark" scribe. Odd, had he thought the ms
>  genuine.
>
>  Stephen Goranson
>  http://www.duke.edu/~goranson
>
>
>  Quoting "Carl W. Conrad" :
>
>  > Yes, I read "Decoding Mark." It involves a very elaborate
>  conception
>  > of chiastic
>  > numerical relationships governing the entire text of Marcus. I
>  didn't
>  > find it very
>  > convincing; indeed, it seemed to me to require a very great
>  suspension of
>  > disbelief.
>  >
>  > Carl W. Conrad
>  > Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)
>  >
>  >
>  > On Wednesday, December 26, 2007, at 07:14PM, "Mary Wells"
>  > wrote:
>  >> Thanks. I'll look into it and "Mark's Other Gospel". Has anyone
>  read
>  >> "Decoding Mark"? Apparently it supports the authenticity of SM.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> ----- Original Message -----
>  >> From: "Carl W. Conrad"
>  >> To: "Matt Jones"
>  >> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Secret Mark
>  >> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:04:18 -0800
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> I would certainly urge anyone seriously studying Secret Mark to
>  >> include
>  >> Stephen Carlson's "The Gospel Hoax: Morton Smith's Invention of
>  >> Secret Mark."
>  >> It's not really an attack on Smith but a carefully-argued and
>  >> well-documented
>  >> analysis of the work. Carlson argues that Smith left several hints
>  at
>  >> the
>  >> authorship of the document.
>  >>
>  >> Carl W. Conrad
>  >> Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On Wednesday, December 26, 2007, at 10:58AM, "Matt Jones"
>  >> wrote:
>  >> > Probably the best current book is Scott Brown's "Mark's Other
>  >> > Gospel". Morton Smith wrote two books. One is out of print and
>  >> > the other is a
>  >> > popular version that doesn't really give a good analysis of the
>  >> topic,
>  >> > even though it is a good read. A couple of recent books have
>  >> attacked
>  >> > Secret Mark, or more accurately, Morton Smith, but I think
>  Brown's
>  >> book
>  >> > probably has the most valuable information. I've heard rumors
>  >> someone is
>  >> > working on another book, but don't recall who.
>  >> >
>  >> > ----- Original Message -----
>  >> > From: "Mary Wells"
>  >> > To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>  >> > Subject: [B-Greek] Secret Mark
>  >> > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:24:10 -0500
>  >> >
>  >> >
>  >> > Anyone know of a really good source on the Secret Gospel of
>  Mark?
>  >> >
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