[B-Greek] Secret Mark
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad2 at mac.com
Fri Dec 28 06:53:39 EST 2007
I would hope that we're not going to try to settle the question of the
authenticity of "Secret Mark" by a majority vote, certainly not on this
list, where it's a tangential issue. Unquestionably there are those
who continue to affirm its authenticity as there are those who have
serious doubts about it. If there's a desire to discuss this further, I
would suggest taking it to the TC discussion list, either Wieland
Willker's list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/textualcriticism/
or a new TC group recently organized:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tclist/
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)
On Thursday, December 27, 2007, at 09:08PM, "Matt Jones" <mattj at instruction.com> wrote:
> I respect the diversity of opinion on this topic, but I believe if you
>look at SM closely, it speaks for itself. It either is legitimate or
>some incredibly brilliant person figured out how an earlier version of
>Markprobably read. I think more scholars support SM that dismiss it, and
>with good reason. I also wish someone would devote the investigative
>efforts the text deserves and give it a comprehensive treatment. Brown
>did that, but other, non-biased voices with differing points of view
>would be nice.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: goranson at duke.edu
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Secret Mark
> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:58:41 -0500
>
>
>
>
> I note that Adela Yarbro-Collins, noted Mark scholar, considers
> "Secret Mark" a fake. So do I. In Archaeology Sept. 1960 page 173
> advised
> readers to examine old books in old libraries for marginal notes, but
> Smith
> failed to tell readers if the Voss book had marginalia. Smith
> failed to examine
> a folder of older Mar Saba manuscript fragments--odd if he was
> looking for
> notable mss. Smith did not bother to publish his catalog in English,
> though he
> wrote it in English; odd, if cataloging were really his purpose.
> Smith failed
> to go to Jerusalem, where most Mar Saba mss are kept, to check if
> another ms
> existed by the "Secret Mark" scribe. Odd, had he thought the ms
> genuine.
>
> Stephen Goranson
> http://www.duke.edu/~goranson
>
>
> Quoting "Carl W. Conrad" :
>
> > Yes, I read "Decoding Mark." It involves a very elaborate
> conception
> > of chiastic
> > numerical relationships governing the entire text of Marcus. I
> didn't
> > find it very
> > convincing; indeed, it seemed to me to require a very great
> suspension of
> > disbelief.
> >
> > Carl W. Conrad
> > Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, December 26, 2007, at 07:14PM, "Mary Wells"
> > wrote:
> >> Thanks. I'll look into it and "Mark's Other Gospel". Has anyone
> read
> >> "Decoding Mark"? Apparently it supports the authenticity of SM.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Carl W. Conrad"
> >> To: "Matt Jones"
> >> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Secret Mark
> >> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:04:18 -0800
> >>
> >>
> >> I would certainly urge anyone seriously studying Secret Mark to
> >> include
> >> Stephen Carlson's "The Gospel Hoax: Morton Smith's Invention of
> >> Secret Mark."
> >> It's not really an attack on Smith but a carefully-argued and
> >> well-documented
> >> analysis of the work. Carlson argues that Smith left several hints
> at
> >> the
> >> authorship of the document.
> >>
> >> Carl W. Conrad
> >> Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, December 26, 2007, at 10:58AM, "Matt Jones"
> >> wrote:
> >> > Probably the best current book is Scott Brown's "Mark's Other
> >> > Gospel". Morton Smith wrote two books. One is out of print and
> >> > the other is a
> >> > popular version that doesn't really give a good analysis of the
> >> topic,
> >> > even though it is a good read. A couple of recent books have
> >> attacked
> >> > Secret Mark, or more accurately, Morton Smith, but I think
> Brown's
> >> book
> >> > probably has the most valuable information. I've heard rumors
> >> someone is
> >> > working on another book, but don't recall who.
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Mary Wells"
> >> > To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> >> > Subject: [B-Greek] Secret Mark
> >> > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:24:10 -0500
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Anyone know of a really good source on the Secret Gospel of
> Mark?
> >> >
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