[B-Greek] Narratio Iosephi

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Mon Feb 5 00:31:58 EST 2007


He was not a disciple of Jesus through acquaintance [scil. "with his teachings"], but urged on completely by a number of Jews to follow Jesus.
 
george
gfsomsel
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From: James Ernest <j.d.ernest at bc.edu>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2007 11:30:05 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Narratio Iosephi


Doesn't the TOU before IHSOU pretty much make LiFNei + personal name
impossible here, favoring Carl's second construction? The usual meaning
seems to be "in person" as opposed to in absentia. The sentence you quote
seems a bit different, suggesting not a disciple of Jesus "in person" in the
sense of following his own inclination, acting in "propria persona," but
rather was a tool of the Jewish multitude. Don't know whether slogging
through the 1000+ hits for KATA PROSWPON in TLG would produce support for
that reading (= "in propria persona" in a quasi-legal sense).

James Ernest


On 2/3/07, Carl W. Conrad <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu> wrote:
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Bart Ehrman wrote:
>
> >     In the apocryphal Gospel called the Narrative of Joseph of
> > Arimathea is
> > a statement about the nature of Judas Iscariot's discipleship:
> >
> >
> >
> >             OUK HN DE MAQHTHS KATA PROSWPON TOU IHSOU, ALLA DOLWi
> > PROETREPSANTO AUTON PAN TO PLHQOS TWN IOUDAIWN hINA AKOLOUQHSEI TWi
> > IHSOU.
> >
> >
> >
> >     What do you (y'all) make of the KATA PROSWPON?
>
> Perhaps = Heb. LiFNei in the sense, "in the eyes of" or "in the
> perspective of" ?
>
> Or possibly we should understand MAQHTHS TOU IHSOU as a unit and KATA
> PROSWPON as a qualifier of MAQHTHS IHSOU; if that's the case it would
> be "not an overt disciple of Jesus." Somehow this second notion
> strikes me as more likely than the first.
>
> Cf. John 19:38 IWSHF [hO] APO ARIMAQAIAS, WN MAQHTHS TOU IHSOU;
> KEKRUMMENOS DE DIA TON FOBON TWN IOUDAIWN ...
>
>
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
> cwconrad2 at mac.com
> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
>
>
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