[B-Greek] Eph 2:2 and syntactic significance of TOU PNEUMATOS

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Tue Feb 13 12:05:22 EST 2007


On Feb 13, 2007, at 11:54 AM, George F Somsel wrote:

> I would say, rather than "for the exegetical problem solver who  
> wants to produce a supposedly accurate English translation", it is  
> for one who wishes to justify a translation which he has already  
> made.  What he is doing is telling you in what category to place a  
> construction based on your translation so that it will seem sound.

I believe that exaggerates or misstates Wallace's intent (how people  
USE a work like this doesn't necessarily reflect the author's intent-- 
any writer who publishes anything at all is at risk of being misused  
or abused). I think that Wallace aims at enabling accurate  
translation into English. I do NOT think that he aims at facilitating  
eisegesis, and I would steer clear of suggesting any such thing.

> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Carl W. Conrad <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
> To: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>; greek <b- 
> greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:50:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Eph 2:2 and syntactic significance of TOU  
> PNEUMATOS
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2007, at 11:11 AM, George F Somsel wrote:
>
>> Yes, this is fairly typical of Wallace.  "If you would translate it
>> thus, it is X; but, if you would translate it otherwise, it is Y."
>>   You will encounter this in a number of places in Wallace.
>
> I think this is all too true. Without for a moment suggesting that
> Wallace's grammar is useless (I do frequently consult it and I think
> one ought to have it as a reference work, so long as one has at least
> Smyth {indispensable}), but it is aimed not at students trying to
> expand or develop reading ability in Biblical Greek but more for the
> exegetical problem solver who wants to produce a supposedly accurate
> English translation.
>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
>> To: greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:45:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Eph 2:2 and syntactic significance of TOU
>> PNEUMATOS
>>
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2007, at 6:43 AM, George F Somsel wrote:
>>
>>> I think you're missing something in Wallace.  If you back up from
>>> where he lists Eph 2.2 and denies that it is a genitive of
>>> apposition you will see that he proposes a test to distinguish
>>> whether or not it is a genitive of apposition based upon HOW YOU
>>> WOULD TRANSLATE the passage.  he states
>>>
>>> 2) Genitive of Apposition vs. Simple Apposition
>>> Both will fit the “which is” formula so another test needs to be
>>> used to distinguish the two. If the word “of” can be used before
>>> the genitive in question, then it is a genitive of apposition. If
>>> it cannot, then it is simple apposition related to another genitive.
>>
>> Doing grammatical analysis of Greek based on how it might be rendered
>> into English is a policy which has been rightly criticized in this
>> forum on numerous occasions. If this is how Wallace does his work
>> then I would just ignore him.
>>
>>
>> Elizabeth Kline
>>
>>
>>
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Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
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