[B-Greek] (no subject)

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 4 12:15:08 EST 2007


It seems to me that we have completely departed from any pretense to a discussion of Greek.  Donald has shown you that your interpretation of whether or not virgo intacta was involved was incorrect.  I have shown you that your quibbles regarding HALOT and the passages it cited are incorrect.  If you are making a list of errata for HALOT and if they are of the same character as your quibbles here, I recommend that you throw it in the trash.  I'm wondering whether you aren't simply in the mood for a good argument and think that this might be the venue for it.  

In any case, this list is for the discussion of Greek:  NT, LXX, patristic.  If you don't want to discuss that, then this isn't the place.
 
george
gfsomsel
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----- Original Message ----
From: Tory Thorpe <torythrp at yahoo.com>
To: "Donald R. Vance, Ph.D." <donaldrvance at mac.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2007 12:08:36 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] (no subject)


--- "Donald R. Vance, Ph.D." <donaldrvance at mac.com>
wrote:

> The point is, Samuel claimed that he could have
> sexual intercourse  
> without rupturing the hymen thus preserving the
> betulah status of the  
> girl.

So then intercourse does not effect Jewish virginity.
Chag 14b-15a shows that, in Judaism, sexual
intercourse does not terminate a girl's status as
btwlh. She remains a btwlh until she suffers a flow,
and in the Talmudic period 'a flow' included even the
rupturing of the hymen. Frankly, I cannot see how this
can be construed any other way without forensic
pleading. You only need to read the pre-Talmudic
definition of btwlh in the Mishnah: "Who is accounted
a betulah, she that has never suffered a flow, even if
she were married" (Niddah 1:4). This is stated
matter-of-fact and without any dissenting voices.
Hence it is clear that a married woman who is
presumably having a normal sex life may still be
counted a 'virgin' in the Jewish sense.

Tory Thorpe
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