[B-Greek] (no subject)

Tory Thorpe torythrp at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 4 12:31:11 EST 2007


Honestly, this response is simply unbelievable. I have
been attempting to discuss only the interpretive range
of the Greek text of Lk 2:36; and off-list you sought
to infuse the discussion with christian hermenuetics.
Now you are resorting to personal attacks. What is
your problem?

Tory Thorpe
 


--- George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> It seems to me that we have completely departed from
> any pretense to a discussion of Greek.  Donald has
> shown you that your interpretation of whether or not
> virgo intacta was involved was incorrect.  I have
> shown you that your quibbles regarding HALOT and the
> passages it cited are incorrect.  If you are making
> a list of errata for HALOT and if they are of the
> same character as your quibbles here, I recommend
> that you throw it in the trash.  I'm wondering
> whether you aren't simply in the mood for a good
> argument and think that this might be the venue for
> it.  
> 
> In any case, this list is for the discussion of
> Greek:  NT, LXX, patristic.  If you don't want to
> discuss that, then this isn't the place.
>  
> george
> gfsomsel
> _________
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tory Thorpe <torythrp at yahoo.com>
> To: "Donald R. Vance, Ph.D." <donaldrvance at mac.com>;
> b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2007 12:08:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] (no subject)
> 
> 
> --- "Donald R. Vance, Ph.D." <donaldrvance at mac.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > The point is, Samuel claimed that he could have
> > sexual intercourse  
> > without rupturing the hymen thus preserving the
> > betulah status of the  
> > girl.
> 
> So then intercourse does not effect Jewish
> virginity.
> Chag 14b-15a shows that, in Judaism, sexual
> intercourse does not terminate a girl's status as
> btwlh. She remains a btwlh until she suffers a flow,
> and in the Talmudic period 'a flow' included even
> the
> rupturing of the hymen. Frankly, I cannot see how
> this
> can be construed any other way without forensic
> pleading. You only need to read the pre-Talmudic
> definition of btwlh in the Mishnah: "Who is
> accounted
> a betulah, she that has never suffered a flow, even
> if
> she were married" (Niddah 1:4). This is stated
> matter-of-fact and without any dissenting voices.
> Hence it is clear that a married woman who is
> presumably having a normal sex life may still be
> counted a 'virgin' in the Jewish sense.
> 
> Tory Thorpe
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