[B-Greek] DEUTERAN CARIN ECEIN: get a second chance? (2 Cor. 1:15, 001 ACDGK etc.)

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 4 22:11:16 EST 2007


Does Jn 1.16 fit more with what you are considering?

hOTI EK TOU PLHRWMATOS AUTOU hHMEIS PANTES ELABOMEN KAI XARIN ANTI XARITOS
 
george
gfsomsel
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From: Webb <webb at selftest.net>
To: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2007 10:00:30 PM
Subject: RE: [B-Greek] DEUTERAN CARIN ECEIN: get a second chance? (2 Cor. 1:15, 001 ACDGK etc.)


Dear George,
 
The problem is that the idea of a second dose of blessing seems out of place, if I’m correct in thinking that Paul considered this thing during a crisis of trust between himself and the community. 
 
I’m not paraphrasing CARIS as “chance” in the sense of “opportunity”, but understanding it as an extension of grace, as when one gives someone grace a second time despite a first failure of trust. It just looks like it might be an idiom.
 
Webb
 



From: George F Somsel [mailto:gfsomsel at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:28 PM
To: Webb; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] DEUTERAN CARIN ECEIN: get a second chance? (2 Cor. 1:15, 001 ACDGK etc.)
 
XARIN seems universally to denote "kindness, gift, thanks, good will."  Your use of "second chance" seems more likely to be "opportunity."   Opportunity generally translates XAIROS or EUKAIROS.  I would doubt that a "second chance" is in view here.  More likely he was thinking of a double dose or an additional blessing.
 
george
gfsomsel
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----- Original Message ----
From: Webb <webb at selftest.net>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2007 8:08:59 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] DEUTERAN CARIN ECEIN: get a second chance? (2 Cor. 1:15, 001 ACDGK etc.)
In 2 Cor. 1:14, Paul makes an emotional statement-obviously contradicting
his detractors-that he and the Corinthians will have reason to be proud of
one another when Christ comes. Then he begins to talk about what's evidently
a very sore subject. Between the lines of 1:15 - 2:4 I read that Paul has
told them of plans to visit them, but has had to cancel, and his detractors
appear to have made a great deal of that-either saying that he was too weak
and humiliated to face them, and has slinked away rather than coming, or
simply that he has no integrity because he says one thing and then does
another. Given that the proposal of a visit seems to have been made right in
the midst of a developing problem in the church, I immediately read him as
saying, 



Because on the day of our Lord Jesus, you're going to be proud of us, just
like we're going to be proud of you.  

And I'd wanted to come to you with that confidence earlier, so you'd have a
second chance.  



hOTI KAUCHMA hUMWN ESMEN KAQAPER KAI hUMEIS hHMWN, EN THi hHMERAi TOU KURIOU
hHMWN IHSOU.

KAI TAUTHi THi PEPOIQHSEI EBOULOMHN PROTERON PROS hUMAS ELQEIN hINA DEUTERAN
CARIN SCHTE 



Granting the text-critical question for the sake of argument, what do you
think of this suggestion, that DEUTERAN CARIN ECEIN means to get a second
chance?



Webb Mealy

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