[B-Greek] Luke 2:36
Albert Pietersma
albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Thu Jan 4 22:11:39 EST 2007
My concern is methodological. I am wary of an implicit argument that
runs something like this:
1. NT word X (e.g., PARQENIA) occurs also in the LXX
2. In the LXX X (e.g., PARQENIA) translates Hebrew Y (e.g., BTWLH)
3. Therefore NT X means what Hebrew Y means.
That NT X means what Hebrew Y means may be true, but it ISN'T true by
virtue of the fact that X is the translation equivalent of Y. Semantic
transfer from Hebrew to Greek presupposes a speech community.
Al
On Jan 4, 2007, at 8:24 PM, Tory Thorpe wrote:
> The Mishnah was cited as evidence of how the Jewish
> people in the Second Temple period understood and used
> terms in their own language, since it was suggested
> that 'btwlh' means virgo intacta. It does not
> necessarily mean that; and I would not have dared to
> quote so much of TWOT, but thank you!
>
> What I have been asking is whether it is possible a
> particular clause in Lk 2:36 has adverbial
> significance. So far, four list members have conceded
> that it could depending on how one interprets the
> usage of PARQENIAS in the relevant passage. Other
> responses seem concerned about defending a
> hermeneutic.
>
> Tory Thorpe
>
>
>
> --- "Bryant J. Williams III" <bjwvmw at com-pair.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Albert,
>>
>> It appears that Tony is trying to do that, but I
>> could be wrong (he is
>> quoting from the Mishnah).
>> I sent the entire article
>> from TWOT along with
>> comments from the articles from BDAG. I would think
>> that what is also
>> happening that you so eloquently stated in your
>> reply is that since the
>> Koine Greek word is PARQENIA, and is used to
>> translate Bethulah in the LXX,
>> then it follows that it has the same meaning. I
>> think that is the wrong way
>> to go about it. There are some overlaps from
>> checking TWOT, TDOT, TDNT,
>> NIDNTT, BDAG, HALOT, etc., but there is enough
>> differences to suggest that
>> there is not a complete word-to-word differences.
>>
>> I suspect that since Bethulah and Almah are
>> translated by PARQENIA and
>> PARQENOS that it would be wise to allow the context
>> to indicate the meaning.
>>
>> Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
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