[B-Greek] EN + human locative of sphere

Brian Abasciano bvabasciano at gmail.com
Mon Jan 8 13:10:52 EST 2007


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
To: "Brian Abasciano" <bvabasciano at gmail.com>
Cc: <wayne_leman at sil.org>; <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] EN + human locative of sphere


>
> On Jan 8, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Brian Abasciano wrote:
>
>> Wayne,
>>
>> The OT is really the main background for this feature of NT thought  and 
>> theology (in my opinion). So you should look there. I don't  have time to 
>> look the references up for you, but I would suggest  doing a search on 
>> the LXX Greek phrases (of course you could go to  the Hebrew instead or 
>> in addition) for the equivalents of "in you/ me/him/Isaac/Jacob/David" 
>> [there is no one for "in Abraham" I  believe, though you will find ones 
>> referring to Abraham in some of  the other references]. Not all of these 
>> will be of the type you are  looking for, but you should be able to find 
>> them easily enough.
>>
>> God bless!
>>
>> Brian Abasciano
>>
>> Responding to:
>>
>> Would any of you be able to come up with a few examples of EN + a  human
>> locative of sphere in corpora other than the N.T.? I am trying to  find 
>> out
>> how widespread was usage parallel to EN XRISTW, EN KURIW, etc.  outside 
>> the
>> N.T. corpus. I've tried Perseus but I'm not very good at using that
>> resource.
>
> I'm not altogether convinced that this is really a locative at all, 
> although it may have roots in locative phrases with preposition EN.  But 
> I've been somewhat fascinated by the expansion of EN + dative  phrases in 
> the GNT: we have the clearly instrumental usages (EN  PNEUMATI hAGIWi) but 
> we have also what seems to me (without having  made any careful study of 
> it) a not-very-sharp distinction between  EIS + acc. of the person and EN 
> + dat. of the person; PISTEUW is used  both ways (as also with EPI + 
> dative of thing or person). There may  be a semantic distinction between 
> these prepositional usages, but I'm  not altogether sure about it.
>
> Brian suggests OT LXX phrases are worth exploring and I'm sure that's 
> true; I'm wondering whether some of these EN + dative phrases don't 
> reflect a Hebrew L' + proper noun or pronoun.
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
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>
>

I think you will find that many if not all of the relevant occurrences will 
turn up the Hebrew preposition b typically translated "in".

God bless,

Brian Abasciano 




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