[B-Greek] Phil 2.12c KATERGAZOMAI and math problems
George F Somsel
gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sun Jan 21 00:13:14 EST 2007
I agree that he must have obtained that from Wuest. I do have Wuest, but I absolutely never use it. In this case the preacher you mentioned has taken an illustration regarding carrying something to its conclusion (an arithmetic problem) and concluded that it was the meaning of the word. As I said before, preachers should never go into the pulpit and start talking about what the Greek or Hebrew says since they will almost always be wrong. It seems like an attempt to add authority to what they have to say by appealing to the original languages. This should not be done even by one who DOES KNOW the languages intimately. Make the application and have done with it.
george
gfsomsel
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From: Bryant J. Williams III <bjwvmw at com-pair.net>
To: Mitch Larramore <mitchlarramore at yahoo.com>; B Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:03:01 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Phil 2.12c KATERGAZOMAI and math problems
Dear Mitch,
<SNIP>
Finally, Kenneth Wuest, Wuest's Word Studies: Philippians in the Greek New
Testament for the English Reader, page 73, "The words 'work out' are the
translation of a Greek word which means 'to carry out to the goal, to carry
to its ultimate conclusion.' We say, 'The student worked out a problem in
arithmatic.' That is, he carried the problem to its ulitmate conclusion.
This is the way it is used here. The Philippians are exhorted to carry their
salvation to its ultimate conclusion, namely, Christlikeness.' "
The preacher you referred to above had to obtain the example from Wuest. I
take it that Wuest used the arithmatic problem as an example of "working
out" NOT that the word means that. It actually means "to work out, carry or
bring something to its ultimate conclusion or completion." It looks like it
requires the accusative case to show what is worked out, etc.
En Xristwi,
Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitch Larramore" <mitchlarramore at yahoo.com>
To: "B Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:38 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] Phil 2.12c KATERGAZOMAI and math problems
>
> ...META FOBOU KAI TROMOU THN hEAUTWN SWTHRIAN
> KATERGAZESQE
>
> A preacher said that the verb KATERGAZOMAI was used
> (not sure if he meant back in Classical Greek or in
> earlier Hellenistic Greek) for working out or solving
> a mathematical problem step-by-step.
>
> Any readers of extra-biblical Greek ever run across this?
>
> Mitch Larramore
> Sugar Land, Texas
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>
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