[B-Greek] Syntax of Mk 6:22 (UBS)
George F Somsel
gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sun Jan 21 17:59:50 EST 2007
I've been replying to this while watching the football game and I'm afraid my lack of concentration has caused me to miss something. Even should we allow a loose reference to Salome as "QUGATHR AUTOU", there is the problem which I believe you were attempting to bring to attention of the name Herodias. I will stick with the reading QUGATHR AUTOU as stated earlier, but must admit that the name is troublesome. It has no textual variant so there is no way to reconcile it. When the Colts game begins at 6:30 EST I will be completely unavailable. Though the game has some time left, I think it would not be too early to offer congratulations to the Bears fans.
george
gfsomsel
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From: "frjsilver at optonline.net" <frjsilver at optonline.net>
To: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
Cc: Jonathan C. Borland <nihao at pobox.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 5:20:35 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Syntax of Mk 6:22 (UBS)
I was working from the UBS text adduced here by Jonathan Borland, not from the Byz/Maj text.
Sorry if that wasn't clear.
I still think that the UBS text is clarified by punctuation in English translation; the alternative is an editorial phrase not present in the Greek.
Father James
----- Original Message -----
From: George F Somsel
Date: Sunday, January 21, 2007 5:10 pm
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Syntax of Mk 6:22 (UBS)
To: frjsilver at optonline.net, "Jonathan C. Borland"
Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> What Elizabeth and I were discussiong was the fact that in the
> Critical Text (as opposed to the Byz Maj text) it says THS
> QUGATHR AUTOU (where the Byz has AUTHS to harmonize with the
> other verses such as 6.24 where it is indicated that she went
> MHTRI AUTHS (referencing Herodias who was Philip's wife). There
> are a few Mss which attempt to harmonize this by reading in 6.22
> QUGATHR AUTHS, but the support is weak. It is thus not simply a
> matter of punctuation in an English translation.
>
> george
> gfsomsel
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>
>
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "frjsilver at optonline.net"
> To: Jonathan C. Borland
> Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 4:59:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Syntax of Mk 6:22 (UBS)
>
>
> Dear Friends --
>
> >From this line, it's clear that Herodias was Herod's wife, not
> his daughter.
>
> Herod was Salome's *legal* father,although he was actually her
> uncle.
>
> A bit of punctuation in a simple English translation might make
> it easier to get this verse, which says something like: 'when
> his daughter (Herodias's) came in and danced....'
>
> Hope this helps a little!
>
> Peace and blessings to all.
>
> Father James Silver
>
> Monk James
> Orthodox Church in America
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonathan C. Borland"
> Date: Sunday, January 21, 2007 4:23 am
> Subject: [B-Greek] Syntax of Mk 6:22 (UBS)
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>
> > Dear List,
> >
> > My question regards the syntax of Mk 6:22 as printed in the
> UBS,
> > particularly the identification of THS QUGATROS AUTOU hHRWDIADOS.
> >
> > KAI EISELQOUSHS THS QUGATROS AUTOU hHRWDIADOS KAI ORCHSAMENHS
> > HRESEN TW
> > hHRWDH KAI TOIS SUNANAKEIMENOIS (Mk 6:22a).
> >
> > Syntax generally would indicate that it is Herod's daughter
> who
> > is
> > Herodias. My question is whether or not the syntax of the text
> > above
> > in any way can allow for the daughter to be Herodias'.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Jonathan Borland
> > Lakeland, FL
> >
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