[B-Greek] "Sunday School Greek"
Eric Inman
eric.inman at wescorpflex.com
Tue Jan 23 12:01:38 EST 2007
I also am a lay person and I would encourage every other lay person to learn
Greek and critically examine anything that clergy or anyone else says. At
the same time, though, I would say that one should not try to get by on just
a little bit of Greek. Most of the value seems to come after you attain a
comfortable reading level and can do a lot of reading in Greek.
In addition, I'm not trying to discourage teaching Greek in Sunday school,
provided that the class conveys reasonable expectations about what can be
accomplished for a given level of effort.
Eric Inman
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From: David Opderbeck [mailto:dopderbeck at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:40 AM
To: Carl W. Conrad
Cc: Eric Inman; B-Greek B-Greek; suzanne mccarthy
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] "Sunday School Greek"
Again from my lay person's perspective -- some of what I'm hearing here
sounds elitist. It kind of sounds like the debates centuries ago about
whether the laity should have access to scripture in the venacular.
On 1/23/07, Carl W. Conrad <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu> wrote:
On Jan 23, 2007, at 10:18 AM, Eric Inman wrote:
> I agree that sustained dedication is what is really required, but
> perhaps
> there is one thing of great value that can be learned and
> appreciated very
> quickly. When I was growing up I was highly impressed by preachers and
> teachers who referred to the original languages to support their
> positions,
> and so I started studying Greek and Hebrew on my own even before I
> got to
> college where I could take classes in them. The point where I
> realized that
> those preachers and teachers didn't really know what they were
> talking about
> for the most part seemed to come very early on in the process,
> although I
> can't pinpoint exactly when. So perhaps it might be possible in a
> Sunday
> School Greek class to get a student to the point where they are not so
> easily misguided by common mistakes that preachers and teachers
> make when
> referring to the Greek text. It seems like this would have significant
> value.
Yes, I think that would be a significant gain from the effort. On the
other hand, teachers and preachers of the sort you mention are
precisely the ones that give meaning to the (para)phrase: "A little
Greek is a dangerous thing."
Carl W. Conrad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Carl W. Conrad
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:26 AM
> To: B-Greek B-Greek
> Cc: suzanne mccarthy
> Subject: [B-Greek] "Sunday School Greek"
>
> Suzanne McCarthy, some of whose previous posts in the blogosphere I
> have noted in this forum, has a piece that she posted Sunday on the
> Better Bibles Blog with the rubric I have indicated in my subject-
> header above
> ( <http://englishbibles.blogspot.com/2007/01/sunday-school-greek.html>
http://englishbibles.blogspot.com/2007/01/sunday-school-greek.html)
>
> I am reluctant to stir the pot again regarding the whole pedagogical
> quick-fix methodologies for acquiring enough Greek to confront the
> Biblical Greek text in a meaningful and fruitful way, but it's not as
> if the topic is going to go away, while human nature remains what it
> is. The comment I appended to Suzanne's blog-post follows:
> ----
> I shake my head, old curmudgeon that I am and a retired
> professor of Greek whose last classroom experience was a January 20-
> session crash course in Biblical Greek for seminary students. Of my
> 13 students two did quite well, considering the nature and
> limitations of the course. But these were seminary students who had
> to have this course to get into the school's first exegesis class. I
> agree with Peter [Peter Kirk, who posted a previous comment] that the
> dedicated student with application and industry can make a very
> significant start within a short time, but very few are likely to
> succeed -- precisely because the application and industry required
> are just not there. Aside from that, whatever is accomplished, be it
> in three successive days, once a week, or in the course of one month,
> is only a beginning and the beginner needs to be aware that the
> beginning demands an ongoing commitment. Anything less really
> deserves -- I think -- disparagment. What Euclid (I think) said of
> geometry is certainly as true for Biblical Greek: "There is no royal
> road ... "
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
> cwconrad2 at mac.com
> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
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