[B-Greek] KOPANIZON
Albert Pietersma
albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Mon Jul 16 10:33:03 EDT 2007
It bears noting, however, that "the canonical Greek 70" is none other
than so-called Theodition, whose principle of operation was not to
improve the Greek of "the seventy" contextually but to reflect the
Hebrew more closely on a word-by word-basis. Since MT here has DQQ
(crush/pulverize/thresh) it is scarcely a surprise that TH might
pick LEPTUNW, no matter what KOPANIZW is thought to mean (note the
gloss in LSJ).
Al
On Jul 16, 2007, at 10:17 AM, frjsilver at optonline.net wrote:
> Dear Friends --
>
> My first instinct is to render this as 'grind, chew, masticate',
> but I notice that the canonical Greek 70 replaces KOPANIZON with
> LEPTUNON, pretty clearly 'dissolve, digest'.
>
> The monster is apparently not a dainty eater, but the 70's image
> feels to me fairly disgusting here: the other beasts eat the
> EPILOIPA which fall to the monster's feet, but in apposition to
> LEPTUNON this could well be a reference to excrement rather than
> just the slop and crumbs falling from its mouth.
>
> Peace and blessings to all.
>
> Father James Silver
>
> Monk James
> Orthodox Church in America
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl W. Conrad"
> Date: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:44 am
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] KOPANIZON
> To: Litteral John
> Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Litteral John wrote:
>>
>>> I have run onto a word that I am unsure about. It is found in
>> Daniel> 7:7 of the Old Greek LXX, not Theodotian. Here is some
>> of the passage
>>> to put it into context. My translation would roughly be,
>>> "surpassing in
>>> strength. It had great iron teeth, eating and ????" Would it
>> best be
>>> translated "pounding" or "thrashing?" Thanks! John Litteral
>>> John.Litteral at ashland.kyschools.us
>>>
>>> uperferwn iscui econ odontaV sidhrouV megalouV esqion kai kopanizon
>>
>> John, please don't try to scissors-and paste a Greek text into a
>>
>> message unless you are sure that it is in Unicode (UTF-8) plain-
>> text.
>> And even if you do put it into you message as Unicode Greek, you
>> must
>> follow the B-Greek protocol and use the regular B-Greek
>> transliteration scheme that is explained within the BG-FAQ page
>> at
>> http://ibiblio.org/bgreek/bgtransliteration.html
>>
>> The phrase you're concerned with is evidently κοπανίζον
>> KOPANIZON; LEH offers "grind, pound" as a sense for KOPANIZW; it
>>
>> looks like this is an extended form of KOPTW (root KOP) meaning
>> "hit," "pound," "chop."
>>
>> Carl W. Conrad
>> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
>> cwconrad2 at mac.com
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>>
>>
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