[B-Greek] Luke 4:7
Elizabeth Kline
kline_dekooning at earthlink.net
Tue Jun 12 15:12:30 EDT 2007
Carl,
I totally agree, SOI is required. SU isn't required as illustrated
by Matt 4:9.
LUKE 4:7 SU OUN EAN PROSKUNHSHiS ENWPION EMOU
MATT. 4:9 ... EAN PESWN PROSKUNHSHiS MOI
I checked S.H. Levinsohn (Discourse Features NTG, pp.16-17,37-67) and
he affirms that the initial slot may be used for focus. In his
glossary focus is defined as that part of an utterance which makes
the most important change in the hearer's mental representation. But
the final slot may also be used for focus.
LUKE 4:7 SU OUN EAN PROSKUNHSHiS ENWPION EMOU, ESTAI SOU PASA.
I would say that SU is LUKE 4:7 while acquiring some added attention
in the initial slot, is not the focus of the utterance. I place the
focus of the utterance at the end, ESTAI SOU PASA. There is some
confusion at this point in my mind about clause level focus and
utterance focus. SU might be in focus for the protasis but not for
the utterance.
Elizabeth Kline
On Jun 12, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
> I really wonder about the SOI as unnecessary: I think that a dative
> is expected with forms of DIDWMI, and I don't really think there's
> any emphasis on SOI here.
>
> On Jun 12, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Elizabeth Kline wrote:
>
>> Since the pronoun is unnecessary, MATT. 4:9 TAUTA SOI PANTA DWSW, EAN
>> PESWN PROSKUNHSHiS MOI, the use of the pronoun would draw a certain
>> amount of attention even somewhere in the middle or at the end of the
>> clause. The preverbal slot has received a lot of attention from
>> linguists as a position reserved for some sort of pragmatic marking.
>> I would be tempted to use the word focus to describe the position of
>> SU in Luke 4:7. But focus has been used in reference to the clause
>> final position as well, so terminology becomes a problem.
>>
>> Anyway, there is no question the SU is an attention getting
>> constituent in this clause.
>>
>>
>> Elizabeth Kline
>>
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2007, at 9:19 AM, James Ernest wrote:
>>
>>> Seems to me that in a language where the subject isn't going to come
>>> first, isn't even going to need to be given explicitly because it's
>>> implicit in the verb ending, sticking the pronoun up front is the
>>> only
>>> way to zoom in on the subject before filling in the sentence. In
>>> some
>>> languages (ASL comes to mind), one routinely "sets up" the noun
>>> that's
>>> the focus of attention in the sentence, whether as subject or as
>>> object, then adds the statement about it. French puts the subject
>>> first but then also routinely adds a pronoun, esp. in first-person
>>> ("Moi, je préfêre . . . ").
>>>
>>> In Luke 4:7, the SU not only specifies that this is an offer
>>> directed
>>> specifically to Jesus (after the generalizing "to whomever") but
>>> more
>>> than that: Satan zooms in to get "in his face" with this challenge.
>>> Satan can give the kingdoms to whomever . . . special offer for
>>> Jesus:
>>> power in exange for proskynesis. Not sure how that can
>>> translate . . .
>>>
>>> James Ernest
>>>
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