[B-Greek] FW: Luke 4:7
Steve Runge
srunge at logos.com
Wed Jun 13 13:24:15 EDT 2007
Apologies, I posted this to internal list folder on our server, and not to the broader list. Hope it is not to late to be of value.
Thanks,
Steve
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From: Steve Runge
Posted At: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:20 AM
Posted To: bgreek
Conversation: [B-Greek] Luke 4:7
Subject: [B-Greek] Luke 4:7
Carl,
The Matthean version is a good example of the verb being shifted to the end of the clause to be placed in focus. TAUTA could then be construed as topicalized. In this synoptic version, there has been no mention that the devil has the authority to give away all that he has shown Jesus. This is in contrast with Luke's version. Thus in Mt. 4:9, it is the fact that Jesus will be GIVEN these things that is the focus in the utterance, and it is also placed in a position of marked focus. Note that the condition is placed at the end of the clause, and not in a prominent position.
Thus, Matthew's exegetical focus is on the giving of these things, where as Luke's exegetical focus perhaps is more interested in the comprehensiveness of the offer: Jesus can have it ALL, but the condition being met is given more prominence in Luke than Matthew. Both accounts are placing the emphasis in roughly the same place, the giving of it all.
Steve
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From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Carl W. Conrad Posted At: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:02 AM Posted To: bgreek
Conversation: [B-Greek] Luke 4:7
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Luke 4:7
I really wonder about the SOI as unnecessary: I think that a dative is expected with forms of DIDWMI, and I don't really think there's any emphasis on SOI here.
On Jun 12, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Elizabeth Kline wrote:
> Since the pronoun is unnecessary, MATT. 4:9 TAUTA SOI PANTA DWSW, EAN
> PESWN PROSKUNHSHiS MOI, the use of the pronoun would draw a certain
> amount of attention even somewhere in the middle or at the end of the
> clause. The preverbal slot has received a lot of attention from
> linguists as a position reserved for some sort of pragmatic marking.
> I would be tempted to use the word focus to describe the position of
> SU in Luke 4:7. But focus has been used in reference to the clause
> final position as well, so terminology becomes a problem.
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> Anyway, there is no question the SU is an attention getting
> constituent in this clause.
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> Elizabeth Kline
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> On Jun 12, 2007, at 9:19 AM, James Ernest wrote:
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>> Seems to me that in a language where the subject isn't going to come
>> first, isn't even going to need to be given explicitly because it's
>> implicit in the verb ending, sticking the pronoun up front is the
>> only way to zoom in on the subject before filling in the sentence. In
>> some languages (ASL comes to mind), one routinely "sets up" the noun
>> that's the focus of attention in the sentence, whether as subject or
>> as object, then adds the statement about it. French puts the subject
>> first but then also routinely adds a pronoun, esp. in first-person
>> ("Moi, je préfêre . . . ").
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>> In Luke 4:7, the SU not only specifies that this is an offer directed
>> specifically to Jesus (after the generalizing "to whomever") but more
>> than that: Satan zooms in to get "in his face" with this challenge.
>> Satan can give the kingdoms to whomever . . . special offer for
>> Jesus:
>> power in exange for proskynesis. Not sure how that can translate . .
>> .
>>
>> James Ernest
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