[B-Greek] PROSCWMEN and ORQOI
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Fri Jun 15 07:56:24 EDT 2007
On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:24 AM, Eric Weiss wrote:
> Thanks!!
>
> For what it's worth, PROSCWMEN has an acute accent on the antepenult
> (proparoxytone) and ORQOI has an acute accent on the ultima
> (oxytone), in
> case the accent helps in determining, e.g., ORQOI.
>
> I suppose in some cases, esp. for unknown or unusual words, the way
> it's
> accented in the text might be significant to mention in queries here.
Well, of course, I don't know what text you're looking at, but if
it's a modern
monotonic text, there would only be an acute accent and it would fall
on the
accented syllable -- even if it's an ancient text. Of course in a
polytonic Greek
PROSCWMEN would have a circumflex over the omega; ORQOI would
have an acute on the ultima either way.
cwc
>
> "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu> wrote:
> On Jun 15, 2007, at 5:56 AM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jun 14, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Eric Weiss wrote:
>>
>>> Two words from John Chrysostom's Divine Liturgy:
>>>
>>> PROSCWMEN - Let us be attentive
>>> ORQOI - (Let us?) Arise
>>>
>>> Does PROSCWMEN come from PROSECW?
>>
>> Unquestionably; one might expect two sigmas: PROS-SCWMEN -- it's
>> aorist subj. 1 sg. in the hortatory sense;
>
> Make that aor. subj. 1 pl. in the hortatory sense.
>
>> this verb was originally
>> used with the acc. object NOUN or plur. NOUS: "direct (one's) mind,"
>> and very early came to be used without the object in the sense "pay
>> attention (to)."
>>
>>> ORQOI seems to come from ORQOW.
>>
>> I think this is more likely the nom. pl. of ORQOS/H/ON used with an
>> implicit hortatory subjunctive like ANASTWMEN (ANISTAMAI/ANESTHN).
>> Compare Acts 14:10 EIPEN MEGALHi FWNHi: ANASTHQI EPI TOUS PODAS SOU
>> ORQOS!
>>
>> Or you might compare the liturgical Latin phrase SURSUM CORDA, lit.
>> "hearts upward" but usually in English it's "Lift up your hearts."
>>
>>> Are these subjunctives, imperatives, optatives, or what?
>>>
>>> What is the morphological explanation of these endings, and where
>>> are they on
>>> charts or in, e.g., Smyth?
>>
>> These are not Classical but ecclesiastical Greek expressions; the
>> only thing, however, that strikes me as odd is the simplification of
>> the double sigma into a single sigma; that's probably a matter of
>> spelling reflecting pronunciation.
>>
>>
>> Carl W. Conrad
>> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
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>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
> cwconrad2 at mac.com
> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
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>
>
>
>
> Eric S. Weiss
>
>
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