[B-Greek] PNEUMA HO THEOS and similar expressions
Charlie
c.arnoldjr at worldnet.att.net
Tue Jun 26 15:52:16 EDT 2007
Anthony,
I respectfully disagree with your theology. I suggest you leave theology out
of this forum as the purpose of the mail list states. Theology arguments
will not work here on b-greek.
Charles P. Arnold, Jr., Ph.D.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Buzzard" <anthonybuzzard at mindspring.com>
To: <jerry at lsm.org>; "'Harold Holmyard'" <hholmyard3 at earthlink.net>;
<b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] PNEUMA HO THEOS and similar expressions
> Jerry, I think you are right "God communicates via spirit." "God is
> love" does not mean God is an emotion. "God is light" is not an
> equation. It is qualititative.
> The absence of the article suggests an adjectival sense as in "the
> word was God." The word is fully expressive of God,."goddish"
> The word was God certainly does not mean "the Son was God." If it did
> we would have "in the beginning was the Son, Son was with God {the
> Father] and Son was the Father."
> That would be wrong obviously.
> Anthony.
>
> At 12:12 PM 6/26/2007, Jerry Austin Reimer wrote:
> >Would it be correct to say that because pneuma is anarthrous it tends
toward
> >qualitative (adjectival) rather than count or even predicate substantive?
> >God is pneumatic. God is spiritual. Seems versions (like NIV) are more on
> >the side of predicate noun.
> >
> >Jerry Reimer
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> >[mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Harold Holmyard
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:06 AM
> >To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> >Subject: Re: [B-Greek] PNEUMA HO THEOS and similar expressions
> >
> >
> >Dear Jonathan and Kramer,
> > > OK, let me try to dredge my memory, and let the experts correct me or
> > > fill in.
> > >
> > > I think there's two things going on here. When a subject and
predicate,
> > > both nouns, are joined by a form of ESTIN like this, the subject
> > > normally has the article, the predicate does not.
> > >
> > > In Greek, as in English, both the subject and the predicate are
> > > nominative, so the cases do not distinguish subject from predicate.
> > > Instead, the article is used to identify the subject: the noun with
the
> > > article is the subject, the noun without the article is the predicate.
> > >
> > > I think that's the primary significance of the presence or absence of
> > > the article in these constructions, but it's also true that the
> > > predicate noun, in Greek or in English, often comes across as
> > > qualitative - in your examples, God is not "a love" or "the love", God
> > > is love. God is not "a light" or "the light", God is light. I remember
> > > seeing similar examples where a particular person is not "a king" or
> > > "the king", but simply king.
> > >
> >
> >HH: Right, but in English in many contexts, we would say, "He is king
> >(over us, over the land, etc.)." We could also say in some
> >circumstances, "He is a king." We would not say, "He is thief." In this
> >type of sentence "thief" is a count noun, not a qualitative noun, so we
> >would say, "He is a thief." In John 4:24 it is a matter of
> >interpretation whether PNEUMA ("Spirit") is to be seen as a count noun
> >or a qualitative noun. The King James Version took it as a count noun:
> >
> >King James Version: John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him
> >must worship him in spirit and in truth.
> >
> >HH: The modern versions are taking it as a qualitative noun:
> >
> >New International Version: John 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers
> >must worship in spirit and in truth."
> >
> >New Revised Standard Version: God is spirit, and those who worship him
> >must worship in spirit and truth."
> >
> >Holman Christian Standard Bible: God is spirit, and those who worship
> >Him must worship in spirit and truth.
> >
> >Yours,
> >Harold Holmyard
> >
> > >
> >
> >
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