[B-Greek] Luke 5:1 EN TWi + infinitive
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Wed Jun 27 07:10:12 EDT 2007
On Jun 26, 2007, at 11:05 PM, Elizabeth Kline wrote:
> The use of KAI to introduce final/consecutive clauses is treated in
> the standard grammars. The most lucid is Zerwick:1963 #455gamma who
> cites Lk5:1 as an example. It really doesn't matter if we accept the
> suggestion that this reflects the usage of the Hebrew VAV (WAW) or a
> pattern borrowed from the LXX. If you want to think of this as
> generic Hellenistic Greek, showing examples from papyri, that is fine.
>
> EGENETO DE EN TWi
> TON OCLON EPIKEISQAI AUTWi
> KAI AKOUEIN TON LOGON TOU QEOU
> KAI AUTOS HN hESTWS PARA THN LIMNHN GENNHSARET,
> KAI EIDEN DUO PLOIA hESTWTA PARA THN LIMNHN
> hOI DE ALIEIS AP' AUTWN APOBANTES
> EPLUNON TA DIKTUA
>
> A verb of motion EPIKEISQAI is often followed by a purpose/results
> clause. This semantic progression is common enough that it creates
> what might be called a constraint on how we read KAI AKOUEIN TON
> LOGON TOU QEOU. In other words we expect a volitional action to be
> goal
> driven and when the KAI AKOUEIN TON LOGON TOU QEOU follows it answers
> this expectation.
I'm not sure I'd call EPIKEISQAI in this instance a verb of motion (I
take it that the sense here is "crowd closely" -- I gather that the
sense here is pretty much the same as in Mark 4:1 ... KAI SUNAGETAI
PROS AUTON OCLOS PLEISTOS; BDAG offers quite a range of meanings for
EPIKEIMAI -- at any rate it seems to me that the usage here is a far
cry from something like EDRAMON APAGGEILAI in Matthew's account of
the women at the tomb in 28:8 KAI APELQOUSAI TACU APO TOU MNHMEIOU
META FOBOU KAI CARAS MEGALHS EDRAMON APAGGEILAI TOIS MAQHTAIS AUTOU.).
It seems to me that the KAI consecutive clause here is KAI AUTOS HN
hESTWS PARA THN LIMNHN. This is a pretty standard construction in
Luke and Acts (BDAG s.v. GINOMAI 4.f). I'd see the structure here as
EGENETO DE ... KAI AUTOS HN hESTWS PARA THN LIMNHN ...
with EN TWi TON OCLON EPIKEISQAI AUTWi KAI AKOUEIN TON LOGON TOU QEOU
as the equivalent of a circumstantial clause indicating the
circumstances surrounding the occaasion set forth in the narrative
that follows. It seems to me that the KAI preceding AKOUEIN is simply
a conjunction linking the two infinitive phrases functioning as
predicates to TON OCLON:
"On one occasion as the throng crowding him closely and was listening
to God's word, he was standing beside Lake Gennesaret and saw ... "
>
> On Jun 26, 2007, at 10:43 AM, George F Somsel wrote:
>
>> Admittedly an inf can be used to express purpose, but would we then
>> expect a καὶ [KAI] to separate it from the preceding inf -- AND
>> would it even be an inf? The inf used to express purpose seems
>> normally to depend upon a finite verb
>>
>>
>> 6. Infinitive as Final Dative. Giles calls attention to the
>> infinitive as a final dative. This was the original use of the
>> dative in –αι [-AI], the expression of purpose. So
>> ἤλθομεν προσκυνῆσαι αὐτῷ [HLQOMEN
>> PROSKUNHSAI AUTWi] (Mt. 2:2). Here we have the dative form and the
>> dative of purpose. Cf. the old English “for to worship.” This
>> dative form continued, however, when the case of the infinitive was
>> no longer dative.
>>
>> Robertson, A. (1919; 2006). A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in
>> the Light of Historical Research (541). Logos.
>>
>> george
>> gfsomsel
>>
>> Therefore, O faithful Christian, search for truth, hear truth,
>> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
>> defend the truth till death.
>>
>> - Jan Hus
>> _________
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
>> To: B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:07:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Luke 5:1 EN TWi + infinitive
>>
>> The second infinitive clause KAI AKOUEIN TON LOGON TOU QEOU could be
>> understood as a statement of purpose and not a second argument for EN
>> TWi.
>>
>> Elizabeth Kline
>>
>> On Jun 26, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Jonathan Robie wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Luke 5:
>>>
>>> 01 Ἐγένετο δὲ ἐν τῷ
>>> τὸν ὄχλον ἐπικεῖσθαι αὐτῷ
>>> καὶ ἀκούειν τὸν λόγον τοῦ θεοῦ
>>> καὶ αὐτὸς ἦν ἑστὼς παρὰ τὴν
>>> λίμνην Γεννησαρέτ,
>>> 02 καὶ εἶδεν δύο πλοῖα ἑστῶτα παρὰ
>>> τὴν λίμνην
>>> οἱ δὲ ἁλιεῖς ἀπ αὐτῶν ἀποβάντες
>>> ἔπλυνον τὰ δίκτυα.
>>>
>>> 01 EGENETO DE EN TWi
>>> TON OCLON EPIKEISQAI AUTWi
>>> KAI AKOUEIN TON LOGON TOU QEOU
>>> KAI AUTOS HN ESTWS PARA THN LIMNHN GENNHSARET,
>>> KAI EIDEN DUO PLOIA ESTWTA PARA THN LIMNHN
>>> OI DE ALIEIS AP AUTWN APOBANTES
>>> EPLUNON TA DIKTUA
>>>
>>> I assume that both OCLON and AKOUEIN are functioning to indicate
>>> contemporaneous time as discussed in Funk:
>>>
>>>> 836.1 The articular infinitive appears with prepositions in
>> temporal
>>>> clauses as follows: ἐν τῷ (EN TWi) and the infinitive are
>>>> used of
>>>> contemporaneous time, μετὰ τό (META TO) for subsequent
>>>> time, πρὸ τοῦ
>>>> (PRO TOU) for previous time, ἕως τοῦ (hEWS TOU) of future
>>>> time, all in
>>>> relation to the time of the main verb. Bl-D §§402-404.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Funk's examples show only one verb acting as an object of EN TWi
>> this
>>> way, but I assume that multiple infinitives can serve as objects to
>>> one
>>> EN TWi, and that this is an example that functions that way? Here
>> are
>>> the notes I wrote on this - are they correct?
>>>
>>> ἐν τῷ (EN TWi) + infinitive used for contemporaneous time,
>>> Funk 836.1,
>>> Bl-D §§402-404. The two infinitives ἐπικεῖσθαι
>>> (EPIKEISQAI) and ἀκούειν
>>> (AKOUEIN) are
>>> objects of the ἐν τῷ (EN TWi) construction, the periphrastic
>>> imperfect
>>> ἦν ἑστὼς (HN hESTWS) contains the main verb - "while they
>>> were crowding
>>> around
>>> him and listening to the word of God, he was standing by the sea
>>> of Galilee
>>
>>
>>
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Carl W. Conrad
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