[B-Greek] 1Tim 2:8-9 praying
Robert Bliss
blissfl at gmail.com
Fri Mar 23 23:30:05 EDT 2007
Dear B-Greek list,
My name if Bob Bliss. I've been a lurker for some time. I've enjoyed the
exchanges and learned much. I've got a couple of years of Greek with a
rudimentary understanding compared to all of you. I've been preaching full
time for 29 years in the churches of Christ fellowship. I currently live in
Mount Dora, FL. I have a question regarding 1 Timothy 2:8-9. Here is the
text:
2:8 BOULOMAI OUN PROSEUCESQAI TOUS ANDRAS EN PANTI TOPWi EPAIRONTAS hOSIOUS
CEIRAS CWRIS ORGHS KAI DIALOGISMOU
2:9 hWSAUTWS KAI GUNAIKAS EN KATASTOLHi KOSMIWi META AIDOUS KAI SWFROSUNHS
KOSMEIN hEAUTAS MH EN PLEGMASIN KAI CRUSIWi H MARGARITAIS H hIMATISMWi
POLUTELEI
2:10 ALL hO PREPEI GUNAIXIN EPAGGELLOMENAIS QEOSEBEIAN DI ERGWN AGAQWN
In a discussion I'm having some thought that PROSEUCESQAI (present middle
infinitive) should also be assumed in verse 9, so that Paul is telling men
to pray lifting up holy hands and the women to pray becoming apparel. This
comes from Young's Literal Translation. A. T. Robertson says that some also
think that PROSEUCESQAI should be supplied in verse 9, which he thinks is
possible, but doesn't think it should be so in this passage. The thought is
that Paul is telling both men and women how they should pray.
Others thought that BOULOMAI (I wish, desire) should be the verb assumed in
both passages. Thus PROSEUCESQAI TOUS ANDRAS is a dependent clause becoming
the first direct object of BOULOMAI and GUNAIKAS along with the
infinitive KOSMEIN
forms another dependent clause as the second direct object of the verb. To
put it in a simple translation, "I desire the men to pray and likewise (I
desire) women to adorn." So it seems that Paul is giving two different sets
of direction to men and women.
Any thoughts to guide our discussion? Also any thoughts on the phrase EN
PANTI TOPWi? What does "in every place" mean? Is it the public assembly or
wherever Christians are seen? If this has been covered before, please let me
know the approximate dates and I will try the archives again. I tried
searching through Google but did not find any thing specifically about my
question.
Thank you all for your time and effort.
Bob Bliss
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