[B-Greek] Pres Act Ind "he does"
Charlie
c.arnoldjr at worldnet.att.net
Sat May 5 11:54:24 EDT 2007
The NASB renders ERCETAI in the progressive form which together with "and
will restore all things" gives the verse a definite future sense.
C. Arnold
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
To: "Mitch Larramore" <mitchlarramore at yahoo.com>
Cc: "B Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Pres Act Ind "he does"
>
> On May 4, 2007, at 11:36 PM, Mitch Larramore wrote:
>
> > Matt 17.11b
> >
> > HLIAS MEN ERCETAI KAI APOKATASTHSEI PANTA
> >
> > Some grammarians are troubled with the Present tense
> > of ERCETAI, as if it should be future (Elijah shall
> > come...).
>
> The text and its phrasing seem to derive from Mal 3:22-23 (in
> LXX and MT, 4:5-6 in English versions):
>
> 22 KAI IDOU EGW APOSTELLW hUMIN HLIAN TON
> QEOBITHN PRIN ELQEIN hHMERAN KURIOU THN
> MEGALHN KAI EPIFANH 23 hOS APOKATASTHSEI
> KARDIAN PATROS PROS hUION KAI KARDIAN
> ANQRWPOU PROS TON PLHSION AUTOU
> MH ELQW KAI PATAXW THN GHN ARDHN.
>
> Note Mark's parallel (perhaps earlier than Mt.'s formulation);
> here the aorist circumstantial participle clearly differentiates
> the time of coming and the action of restoration:
>
> HLIAS MEN ELQWN PRWTON APOKAQISTANEI
> PANTA.
>
> > In English, is "he does" a Present tense verb?
>
> Of course it is. I was taught that the English present
> tense has regular ("he comes"), emphatic ("he does
> come") and progressive ("he is coming") forms. I was
> also taught that any or all of these is appropriate for
> Englishing a Greek present tense.
>
> > Can we
> > then translate this "Elijah does come and (when he
> > does) will restore all things."
>
> I think the phrasing "Elijah does come" reflects the
> fact that Jesus is answering the disciples' previous
> question (Mt 17:10 = Mk 9:11):
>
> TI OUN hOI GRAMMATEIS LEGOUSIN hOTI
> HLIAN DEI ELQEIN PRWTON.
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
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