[B-Greek] hEWS AN--"While" (Heb. 1:13)?
Charlie
c.arnoldjr at worldnet.att.net
Thu May 10 15:50:58 EDT 2007
Forgive me for using that word "changing". I certainly understand what you
are doing. And I don't believe I made my point very well either. What I was
trying to say is that hEWS AN in my opinion is best rendered as "until" -
denoting, as I believe the context supports, the end of a period of time but
not the role of being at the right hand of God as verses 4 and 5 state.
C. Arnold
----- Original Message -----
From: "Webb" <webb at selftest.net>
To: "'B Greek'" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] hEWS AN--"While" (Heb. 1:13)?
> Dear Charlie,
>
> I think your observations about the context support the rendering "while"
> for hEWS AN. But I'm not "changing" somebody else's English rendering. I'm
> independently translating the Greek. I consult and respect their work, but
I
> don't create my own by changing theirs.
>
> Webb Mealy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlie [mailto:c.arnoldjr at worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:20 AM
> To: Webb
> Cc: B Greek
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] hEWS AN--"While" (Heb. 1:13)?
>
> Shouldn't we consider the entire context of this Psalm 110 before changing
> this one word hEWS AN? Here the LORD (God the Father) tells the Son "Sit
> until". Then in vs 2 when the enemies of the Lord have been subdued hEWS
AN
> becomes important, for the LORD (God the father) will say "rule in the
midst
> of Your enemies". And finally, according to verses 5-7, it is made clear
> that the Lord (the Son) remains at the Father's right hand, and
> eschatologically judges the nations, etc.
>
> C. Arnold
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Webb" <webb at selftest.net>
> To: "'B Greek'" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:37 PM
> Subject: [B-Greek] hEWS AN--"While" (Heb. 1:13)?
>
>
> > KAQOU EK DEXIWN MOU hEWS AN QW TOUS ECQROUS SOU UPOPODION TWN PODWN SOU
> >
> > I was about to render Heb. 1:13 (quoting Ps. Ps. 109:1 LXX [=110:1
> English])
> > similarly to the way I've seen it in many English translations:
> >
> > Sit on my right, until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.
> >
> > But then I read Lattimore's rendering, and it got me thinking.
> >
> > Sit on my right, so that I may make your enemies a footstool for your
feet
> >
> > I started thinking that we don't say "until", but "while", to convey
what
> I
> > suspect the statement might be getting at:
> >
> > Sit on my right, while I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.
> >
> > Does anyone want to demonstrate that hEWS AN always has to mean "until",
> in
> > the sense that most English speakers would get from it, that carries the
> > implication that the "sitting on the right" comes to an end when God's
> > making footstools of the enemies comes to an end? BAGD lists the sense
> > "while" for hEWS (def. 2: see Mk 14:32; Lk. 17:8), but, apart from those
> > instances of hEWS AN that come from this LXX quotation (6/19) and that
in
> > Mt. 12:20, the NT instances all clearly mean "until".
> >
> > Webb Mealy
> >
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