[B-Greek] Romans 8:28-30
Charlie
c.arnoldjr at worldnet.att.net
Wed May 16 13:14:30 EDT 2007
Andrew,
I agree completely with Kelton. I would also add that having studied this
verse for many years I have concluded that it must be read with Qeos as the
subject which is in better agreement with synergei (3 per sing "works
together with") and the context of the entire chapter which is the work of
the Holy Spirit. This synergistic theme of Paul's is apparent in his use of
the noun form of the verb some thirteen times in seven epistles (Rm 16.3, 9
,21; 1 Cor 3.9; 2 Cor 1.24, 6.1, 8.23; Php 2.25, 4.3; Col 4.11; 1 Th 3.2;
and Phm 1,24).
The Greek text of Romans 8.28, based on NA 26 and using the variants of its
apparatus - most noteworthy of which is P46, the earliest manuscript of the
Pauline letters dating from about 200 AD., but also A02, the 5th century
Codex Alexandrinus, and B03, the fourth century Codex Vaticanus - reads as
follows :'Οιδαμεv δε oτι τoις αγαπωσιv τov θεov παvτα συvεργει o θεoς εις τo
αγαθov τoις κατα πρoθεσιv κλητoις oυσιv' This text places the Holy Spirit ,o
θεoς or God, as the subject (nom. case) of the sentence.
Based on these texts I believe 8.28 should read "And we know that in all
things God works together with those who love Him, those called according to
His purpose, for (or to bring about) good." You will see that a footnote in
the NIV renders this text in essentially the same manner as I have done. I
see this as a powerful witness of our responsibility to act in this world.
And when looked at from the perspective of the body of Christ, a corporate
synergism, prayer and its often times cryptic or seemingly missing answers
appear more easily understood.
C. Arnold
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To: "Andrew Witelde" <adslkq7b at tpg.com.au>; <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Romans 8:28-30
>
> I don't think so because I don't think verse 28 is saying that God has a
plan to call people. Rather I think it is saying that he works out all
things for those who have been called according to his purpose, this group
is the same as those who love him. It is appositional. Secondly, I don't
think PROEGNW means that he 'already knew,' I think it carries the force of
knowing intimately. So as a result of foreknowing them intimately he
predestined them to be conformed to the image of his son and so forth.
>
> --
> Kelton Graham
> KGRAHAM0938 at comcast.net
>
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> From: Andrew Witelde <adslkq7b at tpg.com.au>
>
> > I am just wondering if the following English paraphrase of Romans
8:28-30
> > captures the meaning of
> > the Greek text:
> >
> > God has a plan to call people. Those he calls he already knows, and he
has
> > designated them to
> > become like his Son. Those he has designated he makes righteous and
honorable.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
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