[B-Greek] Eph. 2:8-9; nonrestrictive relative clause
Josiah Matthews
josiahmatthews1 at hotmail.com
Wed Nov 7 10:48:00 EST 2007
> > Original question:> > My question for the forum then is this. Is there grammatical > > justification in KOINE Greek for a demonstrative pronoun (hOUTOS; > > EKEINOS) to be used as a relative pronoun (hOS)?
> Carl said:> Not that I am aware of. I'd say it is far more common for a relative > pronoun to function as a demonstrative; you mention hOS/hH/hO, but > more common in that regard, it seems to me, is hOSTIS/hHTIS/hO_TI. Of > course the relative pronoun was by origin a demonstrative and still > functions that way in such traditional phrases as hO D' EFH, hOI D' > ELEGON, … The hO D' ESTI in Mk 15:16 and Eph 6:17 are really > comparable to the Latin "id est" (our abbreviation "i.e.").> > How do they account for the KAI preceding the TOUTO? Are they really > proposing to English TOUTO as "which thing"? I would think that the > proposition that the neuter demonstrative TOUTO refers back to > PISTEWS is a little bit (not much) more plausible than the > proposition that TOUTO is a demonstrative functioning as a relative > pronoun.
The KAI is seen as a coord. conjunction (not adverbial with TOUTO).
TOUTO is seen as a relative pronoun (i.e., "Which thing").
It was after attempting to diagram the phrase, KAI TOUTO OUK EC hUMWN, QEOU TO DWRON, that the person decided a relative clause made most sense. So, DWRON was seen as the subject and TOUTO as the predicate nominative with an implied EIMI verb.
Thanks for your input.
Josiah Matthews
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